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  1. From the standpoint of the banning admin, you had suicided as an antagonist without much of a description as to why, and then, in deadchat, said 

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    Shanewayne9* (Rachael Zaun) (FLW|BDY) salts, "im out bye"

    This creates the picture of somebody intentionally killing themselves over salt or some kind of malice. It doesn't turn out that you had issues like that, it was just that you were tired and needed to head off for some sleep, which would've be fine if you said "Hey, I'm heading to sleep, bye." the admin would've just been going "Well that's a weird way to do it, why didn't you just cryo? Here, I can send you to cryo with this button here." I don't think that Shadey was in the wrong for thinking that you might've been acting in ill will instead of out of completely normal people stuff that goes on outside of the game, and so I don't really believe that they need to be punished or warned for this ban, considering how it looks from the only stuff they had access to at the time.

  2. (Is it just me or would it be totally cool if a pAI could choose its light color and hence, affect their emitted flashlight color if this becomes a thing?)

    As it is now, +1 to the idea, and the shadowling bit is probably something to consider, but not an issue if they get veiled like basically everything but flares and glowshrooms.

  3. True, but then having to be even more obvious and potentially expose your name to more than just somebody with sec records, making noise and drawing attention to yourself, breaking into a possibly already fortified sec room because you've poked the beehive and gotten security on high alert looking for you for a HUD (Or into sci for HUD glasses if tech is high enough), generally drawing attention to yourself in a significantly more noticeable fashion than just being on the run from beepsky's, ED's, Security, borgs/AI on the PALADIN or Robocop lawsets, and any other elements that could be out for you already.

    It just seems like it'd be a better fortification for when shit really hits the fan and not just for general antag rounds where it might not be necessary i.e. vamp, normal traitor, changeling. Instead it's much more fit for the warop nukies or higher pop shadowling rounds where that kind of defense would be way more necessary to keeping everybody alive rather than making it that much more difficult for the less heavy hitting antags.

    Much like an antag's goal is meant to make the game fun for everybody else, sec also makes the game fun for everybody else including the antags and minor criminals, considering they're the consequence to the objectives they have to carry out in general. Hence the reason why the team said that they'd rather you lay off the turret strat on calmer rounds. If you want to do it just ahelp, if the admin's cool with it then you can go ahead. A lot of judgement relies heavily on context and there might be a few good situations where you could do it with no problem that weren't listed before.

  4. A lot of these are good suggestions if you don't take into account that people may hear the turret firing at somebody or be around a turret in such a way that some of those strategies, such as turning the turrets off directly, shooting the turret, subverting the AI (Which is lot to do just to get rid of one factor of all the regular security). Beating the hell out of turrets is highly noticeable and noise creating, as is EMPing them, and blocking off the turrets is putting a physical AOD on top of the one that just exists due to turret range, unless you mean literally constructing walls around them, which will also draw some attention. Blowing them up is the noisiest of all of these methods. Using a HUD, while it will work in the short term, still means breaking into sec or stealing a HUD from sci's protolathe/unlocking it if you are sci, a fake ID requires snagging somebody else's or spending some extra TC on agent IDs specifically, which might leave you a bit out in the open if you don't have a decent disguise and anyone who might now better walks by. Simply avoiding them is hard to do if you place them in all of the major traffic areas of the station and pretty much restrict movement of antags to a certain maint. For instance, placing one in the sec hallway, two along the starboard hall on sci and medical entrances, and one at each corner of the primary central hallway, you pretty much block off a good chunk of the station for the 'avoid' strategy. 

    Apologies for taking so long to reply, a few of my classes took a turn in intensity and pushed a few deadlines closer to the last few weeks.

  5. True, but the only antags with easy HUD glasses access are traitor and maybe a good shadowling the rest will usually have a much more difficult time getting ahold of them and exposure to sec is likely going to either out some antags entirely or going to risk their arrest in trying to even prepare to counteract the turrets themselves, and for a normal antag round, it seems a bit much to the staff, hence wanting it on the more high chaos rounds where the likelihood of the turrets being disabled or fought more reasonably would be much higher.

  6. Hi! I'll be handling your complaint here. 

    Looking back on the logs, although this was done in a 'warning' involving powergaming at the time. It's something that's definitely much more heavyhanded than it needed to be and could have been much better resolved by simply just talking things out over PMs or addressing them to you more directly over discord PMs. I've talked with and will continue talking to Tully on the issue considering this is and asked him to think about things. In the meantime, I'll be following up on things otherwise and trying to get info from online admins and other players who might've seen the round or incident itself.

  7. Aye, the discussion in staff chat factored in specifically disablers as being pretty much area denial, they won't chase you, but good luck getting rid of them, as you'll probably have ot run around the area they guard instead of taking out the turret, and even then, you'd be highly visible while doing so. It's more that it's significantly more unfun to fight as an antagonist because it basically puts up denial within the entire view range of the turret, and in central primary that's a pretty difficult thing to ignore due to both the importance of the area and because it links all of the major hallways with the only other way around being a long maint trek.Though some will likely say no, it doesn't hurt to ask if you think turrets could be acceptable in the round.

  8. Right, after scrounging up some of the logs and talking with the staff on the issue, Spark appeared to have contacted you after having observed several previous rounds asking for a turret technician position or just to create said turrets in general. In this situation, being that it was late-game shadowlings it was more acceptable, but on lower chaos rounds without much of a present threat, the staff has determined that it's really something to avoid, as it's basically complete area denial for wherever you build them unless somebody has an EMP prepared to deal with them. 

    So, in clearer terms. In this situation, if you were a member of security and held to the same standards or security had asked you first, and the roundtype was one in which there was clear and present danger (such as war ops/nuke ops, violent, widespread cult in some circumstances, high thrallcount shadowling, highpop high conversion rate revolution) then it would be more acceptable to build turrets, but more commonplace rounds, such as traitor, changeling, autotraitor, vampire, etc. are rounds that the staff would rather you avoid turret construction. Ahelping first to get permission for this kind of thing, as it is a major factor in antag rounds, is something you should probably do first. It does not appear that any punitive action aside from a 'knock it off' PM was given, and as such, this might be better off as just a clarification on what is and isn't alright from the staff.

    If you've got any other questions, want to ask for more clarification, or otherwise comment or continue to discuss this, I'll leave this open for a while. If this is closed by the time you see it, poke me over discord for a similar function or ask that the complaint be re-opened if you'd like it extended. @Cyiko

  9. @Allfd Fair, though the point still stands that the name was common enough for you to recognize it from a completely different medium instead, and we've even made exceptions for players who originally made their characters names referencing a side character playing an important role (even from popular media).

  10. I stand with @LightFire53 on this one in defense of the name presented. The character's name being a combination of an excessively common name "Bob" (which is Steve tier in terms of making up names) and Loblaw being an incredibly common grocer. Even as a reference, it's a name that's common enough on its own (On account that you even said you recognized it from a completely different source before googling it, @Allfd) that I believe it to be both acceptable and reasonable to have in-game. We've made exceptions in the past where names seem reasonably fitting, and considering the player's play time, I'd even argue that it wasn't noticeable or impactful enough for anyone to get upset by it until this point.

    tl;dr The name sounds common and generic, and we've allowed exceptions from side-characters in the past when the name seems entirely reasonable for the station's atmosphere. Keeping it isn't causing people's eyes to bleed or roll out of their sockets, and until it does, he should be able to reasonably keep it.

  11. Apologies for the long wait, got caught up with end of semester finals for High School and then got dragged off for 9 days on a family trip without a computer. I'll be handling the complaint here. 

    Turret technician is a bit of an unorthodox role and something that's likely to draw attention, but much of the actual proceedings would be based on the paper trail and other players at the time. I'll take a look at the logs and see if I can grab the name of the captain and the HoP, as being hired to security would be exactly what you need in terms of having a legitimate reason to slap up a few turrets around the central primary hallway and other areas as you did. I'll admit that it's much harder to run from and avoid a disabler turret, but if you have an ally nearby or learn the location of the turrets then you can slip by a few areas through maint, but that's just more of a challenge for the effort that had to be put in in the first place getting the assemblies set up and all the equipment prepared for the turret's construction. 

    Before making a final decision on this, however, I do want to take a look at the server logs and see if I can talk to others who were also in the round at that time. Thanks for the complaint.

  12. A long one here.

    Alissa Bennett//Riker-Bennett/Riker/Sommer, Bryce Riker, Alice Church, Alice Peirson II, Bulma Briefs, Wolf O'Donnel, Pablo Greenwood, Rissa, Nerissa Roberts, Aurora Greenwood, BUP, Ares, Gloria Leois, Mike Murdock, Frank Delgado, Boris Lemons, Patches (yes, the pirate bastard), Dumo Kayode (or however you spell that last name), Simon Grey, Cole Laurenzi, Jonah Bright, Zeke Varloss, Garoon Garuda, R.A.B.B.I.T., Val Oth, Kikiya, Dawn, Nat Adams, Autumn Aggley, Janette Green, Bathus Saltarius Addictus, Squishy, Cid Squishington, Rasheke Bruman, Quinton Sommer, Seda Demeriel (or however you spell it), Zero Platform #X, Kei Shen, Dar'Konr, Si'Makra, Ni'ldrask Va-something, Von Bon, James Walker, Collin Bastille, Neil Green, Sergey Kur-something, Nina Kur-something, Jay Wingler, The Larkens, The Mingles (even those RNG bastards), V.L.A.D.I.M.I.R., IPAV, Flora Fulton, Meex Z-something, Nova Sc-something, Thali somethingorother, R.oS.E, Tay MkIV, , Moog, Terry Watson, Stuart Ar-something, Maya Stewart, Sarah Crews, Collin Blackwell, that French cat/dog somebody plays with syndicate affiliations, Scruffy Sweeper, S.A.M., Zolt Snekral, Spark 5.5, Lashk- something Skek-something, Emily Fontaine, Churchy, Dreamy Bubbles, Alex Rockwall, Sax, Hawke Boetirson, Jayson Hawke, Michael Valentine, Cy Roberts, Katiki, whoever Aracino played, Damon Bones, N.Y.M.P.H., Ty Omaha, whoever it was that Radithor played, Rynnt Oethene, Kennard Rose, Slith-Skarr, Lass-Skrekface whatever his name is, Lassaruss-Exess or something, Zero.Platform, Sollessa Storm/Murdock, Jada Cuddles, Theta (And all of his versions), Ipsum Bellus Citrinus, Q.U.A.R.K., B.E.E.R., Desmond what'shisface the slime dude, Brooke Straub, Valthorne Haliber, Ruck the Mouse Paladin dingaling, Cap'n Stumpy, P.A.T.C.H., Squashy, Dany Albarn, Alorea Bennett, Kraven Lockharte, Cheeseburger, Ide Taro, Steven Stingray, Sigholt Starsong, and last on the list and pretty much the nerd I talk to the most, Sam Aria.

    I've been here four years, hopefully more, the list must grow! (Sorry if I forgot anyone to add to the list that I talked to pretty frequently!)

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  13. Slade: Tested almost full points towards neutral good, in addition to generally being a recreation of an NG character already and generally just being what I'd define him as anyway. He's willing to work with NT and understands their laws, but works around space law if sec isn't doing anything and can sometimes find himself in opposition to it. He refuses to hurt anyone for any reason and helps out people fairly recklessly in regards to personal survival or integrity, doing things like lopping off his own limbs for somebody who'd been caught in a bomb and needed the quick fix or dropping whatever he was currently occupied with to help somebody out of a jam or fix up the injured. Basically take the folk hero background from D&D and slap the template onto a pacifist robot ghost thingy.

  14. I'd like to apologize, @Buford ,for the long wait, but I've looked into the situation and had a chat with Marcellus. He's been informed more about judging things with a little more respect to context and handling things with the idea that players don't always have the logs admins do, and thus, lack some context to situations they even might be in directly where we have a log of everything that went down exactly as it happened. More or less, a talk about putting himself in the shoes of the player he's PMing and judging the atmosphere based around the context of the situation itself. As for the ban itself, it seems to have been reasonably justified as a bit of a 'weekban pending appeal' situation by how things went down over PMs, as it was only really something minor. Hopefully this resolves things nicely, and I'll be leaving the complaint open for feedback and concerns for the next 24 hour period.

  15. 6 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    You're breeding a culture of metagamers, backstabbers, and moral grandstanders and it's no wonder the server has become stagnant with feature implementation becoming a crawl, new players being cycled out constantly, and regular faces forming unintentional cults of personality.

    The problem is, metagaming and 'backstabbing' just to be a dick is completely against the rules, you violated the rules and were reported, and as such were banned. New players, often entering from the BYOND hub, are often meant to come and go with a certain percentage sticking and forming new regular players. As for forming cults of personality in terms of friend groups, it's a regular bit of human nature, but the problem occurs only when they begin to violate server rules together or cause other players to avoid them due to their behavior in general.

    6 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    You can't admit that your administration and this server has problems, so you parrot the same BS and deflect on what you want. 

    I'll be the first to admit that the server has problems if nobody else has in the past, and that's why we have a large body of GAs, mentors, and regular players to let us know what has to change and how it has to change in order to change things around. Right now we're working primarily on community atmosphere, before we were working on staff internal structure, and later we'll likely be working on some other, larger problem. Considering the community is always changing, we usually have perpetually occurring problems that need to get fixed and edited regularly, like the server rules, IC SOP and how we deal with violations to that procedure, both in-game and out. The community will always be further ahead than the rules will be, and depending on how much they care to rework those rules and suggest changes to make those appeal to them, the rules will be dragged along with them.

    6 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    Paradise has become a toxic LRP playground masquerading as an MRP server. MRP and rules are only dragged out when it fits the narrative of the community's big names or administration. It isn't even a conspiracy it's simple incompetence, and if you point it out you'll be implied to be wearing a tinfoil hat.

    The tinfoil hat argument implies that every complaint involving low RP is met with people saying how ridiculous it is. The problem is, much of the reason the complaints regarding low RP get deflected is that they frequently refuse to include both the how and the what it is we need to fix. A general complaint, such as this one, is something that just has a feeling of global 'wrong-ness', that things are off and need to be different, but nobody's quite sure how that is or what way there is particularly to fix it. 

    6 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    The Heads of Staff outright fucking lied to me, deflected my criticism against them with their usual beauracrat by the books schtick. Let's go over some evidence. -image-

    Tully didn't lie there, as that reply was posted Sunday, after I had personally received information on the ban and, in turn, presented you with exactly what you were banned for. Though I gave you the reason as to why you were banned, that doesn't mean that I completely disagreed with the why of it or how it worked out in the end, mostly considering that you had still violated the rules with the messages found in the log dig. 

    6 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    Least of concern, Tully outright fucking lies saying that the heads of staff and all of administration extensively discussed proper course of action before banning me. Well then if that's the case why did it take me 17 hours to get any information from a headmin after the fact of my ban because the banning administrators were offline?

    I had agreed to the course of action later after viewing the logs and before the post you've referenced there, but at the point you had contacted me over discord, I was asleep and, after having pinged Necaladun, had to wait again for him to come online and explain his decision, which was why it took so long in the first place, as you've said. It was extensively discussed later on late Saturday, early Sunday, and the most I can really say is that I apologize for the impulsive banning, but it was still based on the logs that, later, the staff completely agreed on.

    6 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    Yeah I admit I was wrong about it being because I'm opinionated that someone sought to get me banned but hmmmn? Is there somebody that wanted me banned because they didn't like me on an OOC level? Well it turns out there was, somebody who lied to administration that I was involved in an incident of "IC Rape" (they got their jumpsuit stripped then ran off into maintenance with confirmed vampires and tators, after which worried friends pursued them to apologize) when I was busy that entire round being an antagonist.

    You were involved in the group of players mentioned to be potentially violating our ERP rules, not just the explicitly mentioned incident (though they did falsely accuse you of it over your personal discord), but in a group that has always seemed very close to the borderline of what we do and don't accept. I don't know that you did or didn't later ICly apologize for the incident even though you weren't there, and though it would be a kind gesture, it still doesn't change much of what came up as a result of the complaint that wasn't directed towards them at all. 

    7 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    And what did that person have to say when they fessed up to filing a complaint against me? They blamed me for species hate on slime, called me garbage, and gloated over the fact that I was banned.

    The problem is that they had to fess up at all because you were accusing somebody else of making the complaint in the first place. It was harsh and unnecessary to insult you and call you garbage in front of your friends, that's what I'll agree with, and that's something we can discourage, mostly because races often have a certain stigma regardless of what certain players will try to do to dissuade others from believing that. From the logs you'd posted of your conversation with them, I'm not sure if they were gloating or just telling you that 'it sucks that you got perma'd' and going on to say what you did wasn't really acceptable by the server rules, as, contrary to their belief, we'd not seen anything on this behavior from you before at all. They were needlessly rude in that case, but they weren't unreasonable or excessively hostile about it either from what we've been shown so far.

    8 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    All because they couldn't handle a little shitposting in an OOC, the literal snowflake slime Serac needed to eject me from the community. And when I complained about them for being disrespectful and basically harassing me using admins as a proxy Necaladun continued to push for logs I can't produce because shit like that happens near daily on Paradise and I didn't have to screenshot every mean word said to me.

    They weren't harassing you using admins as a proxy, they made a complaint and we responded by contacting you, asking you what went down, why it went down, and discussing it with you further from what I've personally been shown. The logs Neca was asking for were discord logs or key phrases in what you remember that they might have said about you in deadchat or elsewhere, not that you have the logs word for word or screenshots of them, as we can look them up with our current system. Having a screenshot of everything is unrealistic, which is why we sometimes have to make conjectures on word vs. word and back it up with logs that support the case, as we don't have the ability to view a full round back on itself and tell what everybody was doing by more than speech and attack logs.

    8 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    The thread the Neca responding to hear isn't even about what people shit talk about on deadchat or elsewhere, it was about Harkness gloating about getting me banned and playing the shame game with me to try to get me to apologize to them for something I never did.

    I don't see them as trying to get you to apologize for anything, it's much more the accusation of having done something and general tense arguing over them having created a player complaint against you, not asking you to beg at their feet for forgiveness. The thing is, we can't tell what their intent was in the moment, and you being the source of the information do have a bias of being the one accused of something and currently permabanned because of it, so that makes it difficult to take your word for it that they fully intended to strike that deeply and cut to the point that you don't even want to do so much as be on the same server as them for fear of interacting with them again.

    8 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    He brings in shit that is completely unrelated to the incident I complained about to deflect and continue the same attempt at disarming me he's done already. And just for the extra context, this is the log of what Harkness said to me and my friends over Discord that I complained about, which Neca completely dismissed. He still wants this to be about my ban when I stated in the same thread I don't care about being banned anymore because I don't want to share a server with Harkness due to their two-faced behaviour.

    He did mention the screenshot, but only in such a way that describes that he's not seen anything explicitly rulebreaking within it. Even if it is shitty to call somebody garbage or rag on them infront of their friends, but we don't know what else there was in that chat, and we can't see into it further because it's on a private discord server. He seems to only mention the ban because you'd brought it up specifically in your second post, but the first part of this AC is explicit in letting us know that you don't intend to come back, but he still discusses the meat of things where he asks you to show us or tell us some examples of exactly or at least around what they might have said to you so we can try to log dig similarly and find out if they've been as uncivil to you as you make them out to be.

    8 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    I apologized 2-3 times for my sense of humor in my unban thread by the way. Neca also ignored that and picked apart the rest of the appeal with a hostile overtone, clearly they were never intent on allowing me to appeal in the first place. Neca can't admit that he makes mistakes. He can't admit that he mishandles situations and only drags out the rules when they're convenient to him.

    He addressed the apology directly in the appeal, he just didn't think you were sincere by how everything else was worded by the way he's taking a firm stance on the lower part of the appeal, which does involve picking apart a lot of the argument, but he's blunt, not incredibly hostile, and it's an important difference to recognize between a stern admin and somebody who hates your guts. I've seen him admit his mistakes before over the reddit and through appeals in the past before, and they're often not completely well received, mostly due to the stigma of the server already long present on the reddit. Though we have incredibly different styles of adminning, I've not known him to drag out things that are unnecessary or avoid dragging them out when they are, and much of his judgement, though harsher than my own, often is well grounded in his experience. 

    9 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    Yeah, no shit it's an attack on the administrative staff, I'm criticizing the administrative staff for the way they've handled the server in the past year that's made me so opinionated against current metacultures and practices. But as has been evidenced criticism is an attack. This isn't the first incident you've been criticized for and will be by no means the last, and as my looking into things outside of this forum has revealed it's likely to never change.

    There is an effort to change, but much of the problem is atmosphere based and we have to sort through the community for that to get changed, meaning supporting community efforts like the TRG or trying to filter out or change poor attitudes in others so that the server is a bit brighter. It's likely going to change over the years and I hope to do much in the time the server remains operational, and even after that, continue to try to better the community and interact with them. Criticism is no attack, but the thing that makes it seem as such in the post you're referencing is the general-ness of the complaint and seemingly hostile tone. To fix those larger problems that you attribute to the staff, I need examples first, things to do better, and policies to tweak so that we come out with a better system than the one we have now, as there will always be room for improvement.

    9 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    You'll never follow your own rules. You'll never follow your own guidelines. You do what you want, when you want, and use beauracracy as an excuse

    We have and hopefully will continue to follow our rules and guidelines, the latter maybe not to the letter, but the guideline exists to build something off of and create a personal style of adminning off of, not to blindly follow something that might not always be correct, nor right. Much of the reason the bureaucracy and guidelines exist is to protect players from admins by preventing admins from taking certain actions, and doing what we want, when we want isn't supported by that at all, and never has been. It's a complicated, often difficult system to balance, and not without its flaws, but it's something we have and continue to work with until somebody comes up with a better one. 

     

    9 hours ago, SP00K_E said:

    I no longer wish to be a member of this community, and this will be my final post as it's likely to get my forumbanned anyways.

    I'm sorry that you feel that this has to be the final thing you ever post on the forums, and in addition, that you have to leave the community overall over something that time and understanding could have likely healed.

    I don't believe that Necaladun or Tully have acted out of line in these cases, nor do I believe action to reprimand or otherwise act on them aside from saying 'things could be a bit less blunt sometimes' is necessary. We will likely continue to disagree on these points as a matter of perspective. I'll be leaving this open for 24 hours in the event you want to continue discussion. @SP00K_E

  16. Upon looking into the issue, Spark thought that the policy on rev, a rare roundtype selected only at the risk of online admins, was that it wasn't permitted in important areas (i.e. bridge, major halls, engine.) and was informed that, after the round had ended, revs were able to bomb areas to get to heads directly. apologies for the confusion on that. The second part of the complaint involving the robocop AI lawset, apparently revs were both confirmed and numerous at the time, and the public trust regarding non-rev crew is likely better to eliminate the threat of a mindcontrolled revolt. They began to doorcrush you after you had escaped the heads and were out maneuvering them at the time. However, I can see how killing might have been too far in this instance if you were a normal rev and there wasn't much chaos or mass revolt outside, but if this were the case I'd expect that you'd be brought to security or somewhere more secure and less central than bridge.

    As I wasn't in the round, I'd like to ask who the heads were at the time and others who had witnessed the event so I can get a few different perspectives on the whole issue before drawing and sound conclusions. Either post them here, in this complaint, or over my discord DMs.

  17. Kidan would be the race to look at for more brute resist, due to having natural armor, their major downside being their lack of glasses wearing. Of course, change in character fluff would be different if you were more attached to the Unathi aesthetic. Skrell headpockets drop their items when stunned or knocked down iirc, making it a bit easier to 'counter' while a flat damage resistance isn't so much without another damage weakness to balance it out.

    EDIT: Also ,while the game isn't completely competitive, combat vs. players is fairly important, especially when antagonists are concerned, as well as brute being the most common damage type in the game.

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