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1) The PR has been open for 17 hours;
2) It hasn't been decided upon, and as per our own rules, Fox does not get a direct say on whether or not the PR gets merged (though his input is always accepted);
3) It's not a stealth PR, and I can count the number of PRs that had their discussions here (forums) on one hand. If you want to discuss something regarding code, visit the Github and create an account, your feedback is both wanted and appreciated.
EDIT: 4) This is a functional difference of 1 tick, in-game. That's about 1-2 seconds.
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Just wanted to point out, it's not a "BOOP", it's a "BWOINK".
EDIT: I have to mirror what Rumi said here. Kinda like real police in the far-off land of Real Life, we're often in a position where we HAVE to question people about what happened, since logs usually can't parse context and, well, barring obvious griff, we need the context.
Simultaneously, people often make the unstated assumption that everyone is operating on the same level, and seem to be unable to put themselves in others' shoes. To wit:
"Why did they arrest me, I was just trying to get glasses!" ---> You're still breaking into a secure area
"Science is refusing to give us stuff!" ---> You're a civilian asking for SecHUDs
"Why are they arresting me, I was just trying to help someone!" ---> Security is not omniscient
So a lot of what can be considered "malicious" is, honestly, people who can't abstract themselves and think about what the other side may be seeing; therefore, they think they're being treated unfairly because they know they're being treated unfairly, and therefore everyone else should too.
Not to say there aren't legitimate asstwats who try to get people in trouble deliberately by lying/twisting facts to our faces.
Those we ban.
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SkyPing has retired from their position as Game Administrator.
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Birdtalon has been reinstated to their position as Mentor following unretirement.
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Fludd12 has retired from their position as Game Administrator.
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Welp, forgot a "Major" in there.
Someone ping me later so I fix it.
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Greetings.
Let's take a look at this Complaint together.
7 minutes ago, AzraelKnightquest said:So, I promptly started punching them. At NO point did I use a weapon or crit any of them. Once told, "Don't be that way", I promptly stopped. Then punched myself repeatedly. With NO INTENT to kill myself. I was told in LOOC I would get in trouble. I stated I hadn't broken any of the rules
For this, I would like to quote our Server Rules. Specifically, the preamble to Rule 2: Regarding Roleplay
QuoteWhen it comes to suiciding, do not suicide upon getting caught or when converted by a conversion Antagonist.
Now, the crux of the matter is that you did not specifically kill yourself, but deliberately stopped short of doing it, as a quick search through the logs reveals:
QuotePM: AzraelKnightquest/(Azrael Watts)->Spacemanspark/(Eric Yeskey): I'm not. I only punched myself so many times. I specifically did NOT punch myself to death.
The intent here is clear, and while you did not specifically break what the Rule said, we don't particularly care too much for blatant rules lawyering when the intent of the Rule is still fragrantly being broken. Your response to being told not to attack your fellow cult members by LOOC was to start punching yourself.
That's just bad craftsmanship.
13 minutes ago, AzraelKnightquest said:I hadn't been given any orders, unless some jibberish from a voxy/plasma man with the name of "Chiki" something or another (who I told more than once I couldn't understand him) was supposed to be some kind of order I don't recall.
On being converted to the Cult, you are supposed to help them. That much is made clear by the message you receive.
Punching yourself into Critical Conditions falls just short of the "suicide on conversion" Rule and, frankly, works on the exact same principle, even if it was Light Critical. it doesn't make any particular IC sense for this to occur.
19 minutes ago, AzraelKnightquest said:Then Spacemanspark immediately started private messaging me with an arrogant, snotty attitude.
What Spacemanspark actually said was:
QuoteADMIN: PM: Spacemanspark/(Eric Yeskey)->AzraelKnightquest/(Azrael Watts): Why are you punching yourself to death?
And then:
QuoteADMIN: PM: Spacemanspark/(Eric Yeskey)->AzraelKnightquest/(Azrael Watts): Why are you beating yourself?
These are simple, direct questions pertaining to your case, carrying absolutely no emotion, or even tone, whatsoever. Calling them arrogant and snotty is odd, frankly, considering this standard fare for pretty much every single direct PM from an Administrator.
21 minutes ago, AzraelKnightquest said:He promptly told me I was attempting suicide,
He saw 20 self-inflicted punches in your attack log. Anyone on the Staff would've thought the exact same.
23 minutes ago, AzraelKnightquest said:He was EXCEPTIONALLY rude and overbearing
This is, simply put, a lie. In fact, just to make it clear how much this deviates from the truth, allow me to pull up the conversation logs:
QuoteADMIN: PM: Spacemanspark/(Eric Yeskey)->AzraelKnightquest/(Azrael Watts): Why are you beating yourself?
ADMIN: PM: AzraelKnightquest/(Azrael Watts)->Spacemanspark/(Eric Yeskey): You were lied to. I apologize someone was dishonest and false reported to you.
ADMIN: PM: AzraelKnightquest/(Azrael Watts)->Spacemanspark/(Eric Yeskey): I just am. No real reason. And nobody's told me to stop. yet.
ADMIN: PM: Spacemanspark/(Eric Yeskey)->AzraelKnightquest/(Azrael Watts): You know better than that.
ADMIN: PM: AzraelKnightquest/(Azrael Watts)->Spacemanspark/(Eric Yeskey): Spark, I've done nothing against any rules yet nor disobeyed any orders that I've been give yet. Exactly what have I done to deserve your disdain THIS time? Because if you're going to try to bully me into playing how YOU want me to play, I'll leave right now.
Spark was nothing if not cordial and respectful to you, and receive thinly veiled accusations of persecution and outright hostility. The claim that was he "exceptionally rude and overbearing" holds no weight whatsoever.
25 minutes ago, AzraelKnightquest said:Rather than give ANY explanation as for what he was displeased with, he just said, "Well, if you want to be snarky, I can show you the door right here."
As would be evidence, he was reacting to your previous comment. Acting in such a manner is a surefire way of getting an Administrator to forgo any actual conversation and proceed to punishment, since it signals that the person being talked to doesn't actually want to engage in a meaningful dialogue.
In fact, you even tell them that if they're going to try and "bully you", you'd leave right then. Permanent bans have been issued for less.
27 minutes ago, AzraelKnightquest said:As I was about to type up a response that wasn't going to be pleasant at all, he said, "You attempted to beat yourself to death" and I responded with, "No, I DIDN'T, stop lying". I then told him there would be logs that would show I was NEVER critical and neither was anyone else. He said, "Well, since your'e going to lie about things, you can put a complaint on the forums".
20 punches cause 100 damage, which is just barely enough for a Soft Critical. I suppose you could call this lying, but frankly, even I was surprised that 20 punches didn't do more damage. And even then, it still qualifies as "crit", albeit "soft crit".
46 minutes ago, AzraelKnightquest said:Well, here's my complaint. I am not even JOKING about any of this and bear in mind this is NOT the first complaint on Spacemanspark's attitude. NOWHERE does it say, "As a cult member, you can NEVER punch yourself. No matter what. Under any circumstances. ESPECIALLY not if Spark is available". I didn't break any rules that I was aware of and furthermore, Spacemanspark saying WHY was I doing something FOR ME was such a ARROGANT ASS, RUDE thing to do. Just ANY of you reading this stop and ask how you'd feel if someone came up and told you WHY you were punching yourself, when you made sure NOT to do it that far. Just the fucking miserable BEHAVIOR of this ass clown is so far beyond unaceptable that any admin that supports that kind of behavior, I will promptly hold in contempt.
I was going to offer a complete rebuttal of this segment, but frankly I couldn't force myself to do it.
Spark did nothing except try and ascertain why a recent cultist convertee had punched themselves 20 times. They had every reason to believe this was an attempt at suicide, from the available logs. They acted cordially, professionally, and attempted to get the necessary information, and were received with hostility and passive-aggressive snark.
This entire appeal has been little more than an attempt at smearing Spacemanspark's name with outright lies over a perceived slight that was, in fact, more than justified. You may appeal this ban if required, but this complaint is without any merit whatsoever.
Filing to Resolved.
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ElysianPrince has stepped down from their position as Senior Administrator, returning to the position of Game Administrator.
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Filing to Resolved.
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I would like to point out that this situation happened in August 2016, almost a full year ago, so it's not really a good example.
It was also handled, as seen here:
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54 minutes ago, Sligneris said:
Whether it's a security officer spontaneously stunning me with no question asked while I were detaining someone as a captain and then dropping me naked in perma,
Did you Ahelp this?
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Melandor0 has retired from their position as Senior Administrator.
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BrandonSacawv has retired from their position as Mentor due to a lack of activity.
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While nice in theory, adding even more layers of complexity to Space Law is bound to end in disaster in practice.
As for Manslaugher, it does not take intention into account, and intentionally so.
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Welcome... to Bright's Bright Sushi!
Conveyor belt courtesy of the one and only Valthorne Haliber.
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I remember All-IPC Nuclear Operatives.
BEGIN REENACTMENT:
- Nukies disembark;
- Rando Officer shoots Ion once;
- Nukies ded
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Jonah Bright - Cunt Extraordinaire
Strength: 5? It's been some time since he's had to open a cookie jar.Perception: 9. Is that a box inside a box hiding a bag with a used implanter he sees?
Endurance: 2. Keep away from literally anything pointy.
Charisma: -3. Will call people cunts at the slightest provocation.
Intelligence: 8. Thine master plan exists only because he hasn't found any evidence yet.
Agility: 2. Slipped on soap he himself threw.
Luck: 0. Great at finding evidence randomly, also great at randomly stumbling on the one vampire that had an EMP-In-A-Jar
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Dumbdumn5 has been promoted to the position of Head Admin. Long live the Bananaman.
Sanpd has unretired back to their position as Game Administrator.
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Onutsio has retired from their position as Mentor due to a lack of activity.
Keroman has retired from their position as Game Administrator.
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Spacemanspark put a lot more effort into this than I will.
Rev is literally just deathmatch. it's not coming back into rotation, it's remaining as a potential, once-every-once-in-a-while adminbus thing.
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Nethiafins has been retired from their position as Mentor.
Cian2066 has been retired from their position as Senior Administrator due to a lack of online activity.
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NYEH HEH HEH
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Strap in, gents. This is going to be a long one. We are completely reworking how Executions work, so anyone and everyone that even remotely plays Security, get a good read on the following:
In Legal Standard Operating Procedure - Execution General:
Point 7:
QuoteAuthorization must be given by the Captain and/or Magistrate. Without authorization, executions are murder.
Becomes:
QuoteAuthorization must be given by the Magistrate. If a Magistrate is not assigned, dead, missing, or otherwise rendered incapable of providing authorization, the Captain may authorize an execution in their stead. Should the Magistrate and Captain be unable to provide authorization, it must come from Central Command. Without authorization, executions are murder.
Point 8 becomes Point 9.
New Point 8:
QuoteA signed order from the Magistrate/Captain must be faxed to Central Command before the execution proceeds for purposes of later review. The execution may then proceed without additional off-station contact.
This means that while a fax being sent is required, Central Command does NOT need to reply for the execution to go through.
In Space Law:
The following segment:
QuoteIf the Enemy of the Corporation has not committed any Major or Capital Crimes (see below), they are to be placed in Permanent Imprisonment (Permabrig/Solitary/Labor Camp). Otherwise, Execution is permitted, at the discretion of the Captain or Magistrate. Possession of Contraband alone is not enough to warrant an execution.
Becomes:
QuoteIf the Enemy of the Corporation has not committed any Capital Crimes (see below), they are to be placed in Permanent Imprisonment (Permabrig/Solitary/Labor Camp). Otherwise, Execution is permitted, at the discretion of the Magistrate. If no Magistrate has been assigned, or is otherwise unable to authorize an execution, the Captain may authorize execution in accordance to Legal Standard Operating Procedure. Possession of Contraband alone is not enough to warrant an execution.
Additionally...
The following segment:
QuoteAny other Enemies of the Corporation that willingly turn themselves into Security of their own accord are to be kept in Permanent Imprisonment. Such defectors are to be transported to CentComm for debriefing and relocation. Until CentComm can ascertain their sincerity, they are to be treated as dangerous enemies, but also protected from possible retribution.
Becomes:
QuoteEnemies of the Corporation that willingly turn themselves into Security of their own accord are to be kept in Permanent Imprisonment, assuming they aren't impossible to contain (see below). Such defectors and captives are to be transported to Central Command for debriefing via the Crew Transfer Shuttle. They are to be treated as dangerous enemies, but also protected from possible retribution and provided care and medical treatment.
Additionally, Enemies of the Corporation that have not commited any Capital Crimes and/or have turned themselves in may still be executed if they are impossible to contain, such as fully-powered vampires or Wizards that require no magical items to cast spells. Being a space-proof species, by itself, does not make a prisoner impossible to contain.
In regards to Manslaughter, the Notes have been changed from:
QuoteCareful deliberation should be done when considering someone for this law. The divide between “intentional” and “accidental” can be very thin, and it is important to review all available evidence to come to an appropriate conclusion. Any effort to prevent the resuscitation or cloning of the victim raises this to Murder. If in doubt as to whether it was premeditated, it is to be assumed so and the Murder charge applied.
To:
QuoteCareful deliberation should be done when considering someone for this law. The divide between “intentional” and “accidental” can be very thin, and it is important to review all available evidence to come to an appropriate conclusion. Any effort to prevent the resuscitation or cloning of the victim raises this to Murder. If in doubt as to whether it was premeditated, it is to be assumed that it was not.
Personnel that fall under this law may not be executed, and must be kept in Permanent Imprisonment.
The greatest change, however, is that we will be splitting Capital Crimes into 2 categories: Exceptional Crimes and Capital Crimes.
Murder and Mutiny would remain in Capital Crimes; all previously "Capital" crimes are moved to the Exceptional Crimes category. The latter may not by punishable by execution.
As such, the preamble to Exceptional Crimes becomes:
QuoteThese crimes can result in Permanent Prison Time, Exile or Permanent Labor Camp Time.
Only the Magistrate, Captain, Head of Security, and Warden can authorize a Permanent Sentence or Exile.
If the prisoner requests an Execution or Cyborgization, they may be given one.
And the preamble for Capital Crimes becomes:
QuoteThese crimes can result in Execution, Permanent Prison Time, Permanent Labor Camp Time, Exile or Cyborgization.
Only the Magistrate, Captain, Head of Security, and Warden can authorize a Permanent Sentence or Exile.
Only the Magistrate or Captain can authorize an Execution or Forced Cyborgization.
If the prisoner requests an Execution or Cyborgization, they may be given one.
Any personnel that escape Permanent Imprisonment are to be executed when captured. Any personnel escaping from an Execution sentence are to be killed on sight.
This means that ONLY TWO CRIMES are punishable by Execution now.
Finally, the definition of murder has been changed from:
QuoteTo assault someone with enough force as to cause their death, with premeditated, deliberate intent to murder them.
To:
QuoteTo deliberately and maliciously cause the death of another crewmember, via direct or indirect means.
Rules on Lethal Force, as it applies outside of the Brig and formalized sentencing, remain unchanged.
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"Darts no longer proc reaction"
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If I understand chemical reactions properly, it basically moves the first "reaction" to the first reaction tick after the person is hit.