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SomeGuy9283 has retired from their position as Mentor.
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We are currently looking into it.
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Kharshai and ZomgPonies have retired from their positions as Senior Administrators.
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After speaking with Spacemanspark, the following was ascertained:
- Spacemanspark did in fact act out of bounds in the antagonist creation, especially since they were not specifically directed ONLY to attack a specific someone, merely given an objective;
- Simultaneously, even if given proper directions, the correct way to handle perceived validhunting, real or not, would have been to use Admin PMs, not spawning an Antagonist like that.
Spacemanspark has been warned regarding their actions and admits to his wrongdoing; not only will this not repeat itself, but they will also henceforth prevent further incidents like these in similar situations.
If the complainant wishes to bring anything else to our attention, please do so.
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As discussed in Discord PMs, original complainant does not wish to proceed with this complaint further.
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Filing to Resolved.
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Greetings.
Let's address the points in this complaint (?), for lack of a better word:
3 minutes ago, Biabri said:I feel like I'm being dragged down by a note in particular
You actually have several Notes on your Ckey regarding your less-than-stellar attitude, the earliest going back to February, and with several in the last two months. I can assure you this isn't a single note, it's several.
6 minutes ago, Biabri said:which encourages admins to be overtly aggressive in their actions towards me and is from a long time ago
See above for the latter part. As for the former, I have no way to tell you this in any other way, so here it goes: actions matter when do you them. Someone with a long history of Notes is going to be treated differently from someone without a single Note.
This is simply how we've worked from the very inception of the server. This is how pretty much every other server out there works. Your past history matters, and if that bothers you, then it will unfortunately keep bothering you, because there's very little you can do to stop that apart from acting as a rules-abiding player for a long period of time.
26 minutes ago, Biabri said:I have no idea what exactly this note says but I do know that it exists and I know that it makes me out to be far more toxic than I am, which in turn leads to a self fulfilling prophecy as you project this toxic attitude onto my words and respond in kind, which does actually annoy me, surprisingly.
See above. Notes will irrevocably alter the way the Server Staff looks at you and your actions.
If this clears up any doubts you may have, or not, please say so.
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Thread has been terminated to prevent further incensed commentary.
If the OP has any complaints regarding the Server Staff, please direct them at the Admin Complaints sub-forum with the appropriate template.
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After discussing the situation with the handling Administrator, the following was ascertained:
- The initial contact was required as a response to a previous Adminhelp. However, the response given, that you were trying to kill Terror Spiders, should have been sufficient, as Terror Spiders are fully covered by the Validhunting Rule as being free to kill, just like Blobs or Nuclear Operatives;
- Additionally, the handling Administrator has been informed that the tone used in the tail end of the PM Conversation was overly confrontational, and has since been directed to adjust the way they approach handling these situations.
However:
I should note that your response to an Administrator telling you to stop doing something was to go around them and attempt to "justify" your actions ICly. If you feel an Administrator's decision is incorrect, you DO NOT try and go around them ICly, but rather abide by the decision and then contact another Administrator in order to receive a clarification; as this Complaint indicates, we'll be more than happy to provide some clarification and correction. The actual warning itself was issued because you did this, rather than abiding by the Administrator's decision, so please keep this in mind for the future and do not repeat it.
If you would like to raise any further issues, please do so.
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As discussed with the original complainant via Discord PMs, the directly above applies. It would seem Purple got ahead of me for about an hour, which would make a recap more of a repetition at this point.
As noted in person, Purple has since been informed of the correct way to handle a situation like this and will be working on adjusting the way they approach PM conversations. As per the original complainant, this was deemed sufficient.
Filing to Resolved.
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The situation is currently being looked into. Please hold.
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The situation is currently being looked into. Please hold.
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Marsmond, PurpleGenie, GuiltyBeans and Sothangel have been promoted to the rank of Game Administrator.
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Nomzy has unretired, returning to their position as Trial Administrator.
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Phantasmic Dream, GunDOS (Saul Argon), Anticept, Shadeykins and Da Dman234 have been promoted to the position of Trial Administrator.
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Eeeeh, first-offense bans tend to be the kind of ones that leave us with pounding headaches.
Such as massive toxins griff, murder+logout, furry ERP, people calling each other faggots, non-furry ERP, raids, the FFF, unsuccessful toxins griff, furry ERP or Atmos griff.
Really, you kinda need to try to be banned on the first offense (and plenty of people do).
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17 hours ago, ZN23X said:
They ban everyone for first offenses
That is simply not true. There are more cases of warnings and Notes over first offenses than Bans.
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Alright, so, I took the time to go look into the Server Logs for what I can only assume was the incident the OP was referring to. For obvious reasons, I shan't provide actual quotes of what was said (this not being a ban appeal and all), but I think paraphrasing may still be acceptable. If @PurpleGenie or Heroo2012 would like me NOT to present something, they're free to ask me to remove it.
2 hours ago, Eastwardrope said:Preconceive everything as an insult even just notes on how to do better.
After looking at the exchange of words between you and and Purple, several times, I cannot really see where, exactly, either him or Heroo took what you said as "insulting". What was said was quite normal and formulaic, given the circumstances, as we have to handle similar cases on a daily basis.
2 hours ago, Eastwardrope said:They said I broke a rule so I should be banned for breaking ONE rule
Which you did, and which you can be. Administrators reserve the right to enforce punishments based on judgement calls, as the Server Rules are not an ironclad manual. In fact, considering the overall circumstances of what happened, you were particularly lucky to have gotten off with merely a Jobban.
2 hours ago, Eastwardrope said:adept it is killing someone BUT still I forgot one thing
Which you attempted to lie to an Administrator over. Others (myself included) would've simply banned you on the spot for that.
2 hours ago, Eastwardrope said:the admin wanted to ban me and I told him that was poor practice (Something I would like to be called out on) and he goes "STAP INSULTIN ME"
Not only was what you said in the PM exchange a poorly veiled insult at our Staff and server, this is a gross misrepresentation of what Purple actually said, which does not do you any favors here. Purple reminded you not to try and rules-lawyer in the PM Exchange, which, if you look at the Server Rules, is something we specifically warn people not to do; it's never, ever worked. Ever.
2 hours ago, Eastwardrope said:Of course that isn't his/her exact words just a shortened version their actual statement is SO long that I probably couldn't fit it into the text
The actual sentence is about 10 words long. Attempting to mischaracterize what was said in an attempt to assassinate someone's character (and an Administrator, to boot) will win you no friends. You would be better off sticking with the actual facts here.
2 hours ago, Eastwardrope said:Anyway all from a harmless statement of poor policy they get another admin and they go (this is shortened of course) "STAP INSULTIN US WE ARES GOODS"(shortened quote from Hero124 game admin)
See above.
I would like to request that you cease this childish mudslinging. The two Administrators who handled your case did so cordially and professionally, and do not warrant having you claim they acted like petulant manchildren.
2 hours ago, Eastwardrope said:And I told them look I am not insulting you. Which they replied ' YES YOU ARE'.
This literally never happened.
You have progressed into legitimate lying at this point, which makes me wonder why I put time and effort into trying to deconstruct this.
2 hours ago, Eastwardrope said:This whole event took like ten minutes all because they are too soft skinned to understand a NOTE from an INSULT.
Passive-aggressive snark disguised as a "helpful note" is par for the course. You aren't the first to try, and won't be the last.
2 hours ago, Eastwardrope said:So this servers admins need to get their things together. And Remember good Admin skills(I.E Warnings before Bannings)
Considering what happened to cause the PM Exchange, and how you reacted in it, I find it baffling that you think you are, in any way, in a position to lecture us on how to be "good Admins".
Or, in case I wasn't making myself clear enough:
You are in the wrong.
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As for Jovan's comment:
1 hour ago, Jovaniph said:The rule in life that I learn is to comply, then complain. Comply with the admin in what they ask you to do. I know it hard, but just suck it up from the beginning. After that, post a quality complaint against them on how they have treated you.
This is very true. Our Admin Complaints forum has a few good examples of people who faced legitimate Admin Abuse/Error and, rather than lashing out, grinned, bore it, and then complained afterwards with a modicum of civility. As history shows, we've had plenty of examples of disciplinary action that arose from such complaints.
As such, I do urge you, if you feel an Administrator is mistreating you, please contact a Head of Staff near you, or write down an Administrator Complaint. Do remember, though, that lobbing accusations absent evidence or reason will just make it easy for everyone (us included) to write it off as anger an annoyance. Civility is key.
1 hour ago, Jovaniph said:Yes there are admins that are quick to think that a person "Feel" like they are being some way. I seen it many times on ban appeal. Players spend roughly 30 minutes writing a ban appeal to get unban all to just have the admin say "I don't think you really are sorry for what you did because I know how to read peoples minds and understand your intent even though I don't know you as a person". Ban Appeal Declined. That kinda stuff bothers me, but the best thing you can do is write another ban appeal in the next week or so =\.
I understand this may be... problematic to process, but the fact of the matter is we have access to a wealth of information most players do not. When we make a call on a Ban Appeal, it is the function of Notes, Bans, player history, chat logs, server logs and oftentimes the input of other Administrators.
Is it often a judgement call? Yes, as it has to be. We simply cannot be 100% objective when handling an appeal (barring extreme cases on both sides of the wrong/right debacle), and will therefore have to resort to both the information at our disposal and our personal experience in handling a Ban Appeal.
This is not a case of us believing we can read minds and figure out what people are thinking; rather, it is the handling Administrator making the best decision possible, at the time, with the resources at their disposal.
We do, of course, apologize for any situation where a player was unfairly treated due to a misjudgement by the Server Staff, and hope you can understand that, unfortunately, sometimes shit happens and it's our job to try to prevent that as best we can.
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Greetings.
Allow me to leave a few things here:
8 hours ago, Eric said:I was actually IMMERSED in my character
Immersion does not justify breaking the Server Rules. Those stand above all things.
8 hours ago, Eric said:which I had to fuel through sexual escapades.
For this, allow me to quote our Server Rules:
QuoteRule 12: Erotic Content
As a general rule, anything more sexualized than kissing and hugging is considered ERP. We obviously cannot list all the fetishes that exist here, so please use common sense. Administrators may ask you to stop anything they feel is borderline, in which case you are to stop at once;
You offered to perform fellatio for monetary compensation on three separate occasions. This goes far beyond our accepted line.
8 hours ago, Eric said:since it was closer to the accepted "Suck my dick" insult than an actual ERP
To say "Suck my dick" as an insult is one thing; it is rude, crass and incredibly low-brow, but still accepted by our Server Rules as it is part of common parlance.
You did not insult anyone. You offered to fellate them for money. This is markedly different.
8 hours ago, Eric said:Which, I must remind you, was accepted by one of the other players.
Which doesn't really mean much, as it is still a breach of our Server Rules.
8 hours ago, Eric said:"Consent is defined as permission for something to happen or agreement to do something."
See above.
This complaint (?) is without merit. The one negative aspect of Ansari's handling of this was not removing the "= null" from the Ban Reason.
Filing to Resolved.
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After looking through the logs, it seems like you posted a copypasta on OOC, were told not to do it by Necaladun, insisted, were told not to again, and then called Necaladun a cuck.
Frankly, the only thing Necaladun's done wrong here is not have a properly descriptive Ban Reason (which he's already recognized). The complaint itself is without merit; insult an Administrator at your own risk.
Filing to Resolved.
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Hum, yeah, removing the reaction-on-hit doesn't make it any less deadly, it just SLIGHTLY delays the damage onset.
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