Admin Complaint: Shift 25751

[Lurapa]

Admin(s) Key:

Your ckey (Byond username): Lurapa
Your Discord name (if applicable): Lurapa#5004

Date(s) of incident (GMT preferred):

https://discord.com/channels/145533722026967040/583343898521370624/808577454444773407

Nature of complaint: Abuse of Powers, Misconduct, Feedback, Other.

Brief description (tl;dr here. Just the critical elements):

Extended round negatively impacted through ghost/admin actions & decisions. Round (25751) was extended. Average Shift Quality up until 1 hour in where a group of people were selected somehow to be executed. Lulled into 'retirement' they're put into a 1 room obstacle course that has no continuation. So it mattered very little if one succeeded or not. It was a false-bottom deletion from the round.
Full description of events:

Shift started normal. Round continued normal for a dozen minutes or so. They started to get a little odd at around the 1 hour mark. Where the Captain announced for X, Y, Z to arrive at the Bridge for a non-opt out event. It was 'early retirement'. That brought the group to Central Command. 

At Central Command people were forced to try and get past a set of turrets. To me, it appeared like an obstacle course, with some form of reward - or relief - if one managed to get past the room. 

Unfortunately there was no further effort to the event. It was simply a room that did nothing but delete a set of people from the round. Irrelevent to if they had plans this shift or not.

Me, personally, had plenty of plans. Hence the irritation enough to post feedback/complaint. 

After our death, for some reason a Death Squad was announced. To force what just happened to a small group, onto the station. Nuking the shift that could have continued as-is.

Main gripes:

1. No counterplay to the event.

- You were seemingly lock and key'd into it. The Captain announced for those in the list to arrive, about three times. Reassuring/reaffirming the fact these people had to arrive/participate.

2. Fun for few, suffering for many

The Deathsquad got to pop into, Ghosts got to participate as murdersquad. But the majority of the living, simply replied - 'whaaat?' -- 'why???'. There was no real reason for it outside adminbus.

3. The Kill Box

There is no counterplay. There is no reward. There is no reason or rhyme. It just deleted many a characters from a shift that had dozens of minutes left in it. I for one wanted to do a tonne of projects, one of which I was farming/99% completed towards when I got forced to die.

 

Feedback:

Add more rooms to the killbox. Make it a rewarding maze of death. Not a 'oh you got to the door? Nice, vacuum of space'. 

I'd have really enjoyed it, to have a death maze to figure out and pass through. 

Additionally I really think DS should be sent for the same things (fucked stations, terrors everywhere, shits done etc), not because ghosts or admins voted on it. DS for a live, functioning station is realyl confusing and takes away from the awesome Warhammer 40k vibe Death Squads normally give off.

 - Death Squad Vibes, 

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Is why an admin complaint was made. It was suggested. Sure, the tags may be incorrect. Because any of these are applicable if you tilt them right. Misconduct seemed to be using power out of the normal conduct (a very adminbus shift). Abuse of power, kill-box deleting people from a shift. So on so forth, did not tag these maliciously. Nor post this to push a post I already made. But because an admin asked Ghost chat to stop salting and to go through proper channels.

It's not resolved as discussion never concluded on it.  @Edit update to Nec's reply.

Edited February 9, 2021 by Lurapa

[Zephroze]

Your ckey (Byond username): Zephroze
Your Discord name (if applicable): Zephroze#3819

Involvment in incident:
Unconscious in operating room when death squad blew out my surgeon's eyeballs. I ghosted so I could at least watch.

Agreement/disagreement with described events:

I feel like this was completely unnecessary. As was said above, people were ordered by Central Command to report to the bridge. Refusing a direct order from CC is obviously treasonous so they complied. Then they died.

From what I understand, ghosts were polled as to whether or not they wanted a death squad to show up during a round where there really wasn't anything going on. A supermatter shard took out toxins storage, and the slimes got out of xenobiology, but otherwise nothing major.

Polling ghosts to ask if they want a chance at playing a murderbone class is not an appropriate way to determine if it's the correct course of action. When I am dead and ghosting, I am looking for things to explode and kill living players; we all are. No ghost is sitting there cheering on the person they're watching, they want action. I would be very surprised if any ghosts voted against the death squad. I wouldn't have, had I been dead. I'm also a bit salty I didn't get the chance to become one considering I died shortly after anyways.

I'm not really upset I died because I wasn't doing anything important, but this really screwed up some peoples' shifts and I feel for those players.

Edit: Also, giving traitor to a mindshielded individual is extremely confusing for security. -HoS player
 

Edited February 9, 2021 by Zephroze
forgot a fact

[necaladun]

Hi there,

I'm not seeing any misconduct or abuse of powers here. Like your last admin complaint, this appears to be feedback on an event you didn't like, as is more suited for other forums - such as the event forum. I thought you'd get the hint when I moved it there, although this one is tagged with misconduct and abuse of powers. 

Admins might run events you don't personally like sometimes. These events may escalate to a DS wiping out the crew (especially if a vote offering that passes - which was to all players, ghosts and living, @Zephroze. There is no way to choose who can and can't vote with the vote verb.). Admin events may mean you don't get to do what you planned for the shift, just like a nuke op or wizard would - especially if the crew vote for it. That doesn't make the admins actions here misconduct or abuse of powers.

The round being extended doesn't change that. It seems you disagree with admins attitudes and the policy towards extended and running events. That is ok, and you can discuss this in the forums or discord if you'd like the staff to change their policy. You have done so before in fact:

 

This admin complaint is pretty transparent attempt at you pushing for this. The admins not doing things the way you'd like, is not misconduct or an abuse of powers. 

 

Complaint without merit and resolved. Please post further feedback on events in the event suggestions forum. 

 

[Abydos]

While I am not handling this complaint, I am merely posting logs involving the situation.

 

1 hour ago, Lurapa said:

Where the Captain announced for X, Y, Z to arrive at the Bridge for a non-opt out event. It was 'early retirement'.

Central Command offered the program to command, and it was for volunteers. It was command themselves, who chose the people, not central command. Command never offered people the chance to declined, when CC said they could.. it was the Captain who chose the decision for you.

Spoiler

[2021-02-09T04:44:00] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (88,99,1): (Command) 'Wonderful! I'm VERY pleased to announce, Nanotrasen is now offering an Early Retirement Program! Please pick a few crewmembers to be sent in for the program!'

[2021-02-09T04:44:08] SAY: Louis Murray (140,128,2): (Command) 'Can I retire myself?'

[2021-02-09T04:44:09] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (114,136,2): (Command) 'Wow!'

[2021-02-09T04:44:17] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (79,95,1): (Command) 'Well... if I may suggest...'

[2021-02-09T04:44:18] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (114,150,2): (Command) 'I'll submit myself, Phillip'

[2021-02-09T04:44:22] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (114,136,2): (Command) 'I was about to volunteer all of command including myself!'

[2021-02-09T04:44:28] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (79,95,1): (Command) 'Picking those who might not be performing so well.'

[2021-02-09T04:44:34] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (109,187,2): (Command) 'Ah'

[2021-02-09T04:44:39] SAY: Louis Murray (103,120,2): (Command) 'Whaaa?'

[2021-02-09T04:44:41] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (114,136,2): (Command) 'Like I said, ALL OF COMMAND AND MYSELF!'

[2021-02-09T04:44:45] SAY: Louis Murray (103,120,2): (Command) 'So it's one of those retirement plans'

[2021-02-09T04:45:17] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (114,135,2): (Command) 'I kid I kid. uhhh Things have been going pretty well here NTO Phillip'

[2021-02-09T04:45:35] SAY: Louis Murray (110,136,2): (Command) 'It's NNO, not NTO'

[2021-02-09T04:45:43] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (115,134,2): (Command) 'I have a few officers who are struggling with brigging procedure, but they're learning.'

[2021-02-09T04:45:58] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (115,135,2): (Command) 'Do we have to select people for retirement?'

[2021-02-09T04:46:02] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (86,99,1): (Command) 'Right, feel free to submit a list of those chosen for the Early Retirement Program and we'll stop by later for them!'

[2021-02-09T04:46:20] SAY: Louis Murray (110,136,2): (Command) 'Put the chemist's name on that list.'

[2021-02-09T04:46:25] SAY: Louis Murray (110,136,2): (Command) 'They're just bridge hoboing'

[2021-02-09T04:46:40] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (123,124,2): (Command) 'And the mime. Cause fuck em thats why. And the clown cause fuck em'

[2021-02-09T04:46:54] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (124,124,2): (Command) 'Actually. Clown is in teleport room.SO thats a good reason'

[2021-02-09T04:48:18] SAY: Louis Murray (106,131,2): (Command) 'Three names on the list now'

[2021-02-09T04:52:58] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (121,126,2): (Command) 'ALso hop please add the Clown name to the list'

[2021-02-09T04:53:05] SAY:Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'They already are'

[2021-02-09T04:53:10] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (121,126,2): (Command) 'Goood'

[2021-02-09T04:53:13] SAY: Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'Here's a list of the names.'

[2021-02-09T04:53:42] SAY:Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'Phoebe Dean, Pity the Fanclown Clown of Prolithium belts, Sr. Hands, Fatwe Pylon, Gordo Weisgarber, Lincoln Flores, Frank Gallagher'

[2021-02-09T04:53:43] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (128,175,2): (Command) 'I recommend putting the bartender on the list'

[2021-02-09T04:53:47] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (128,175,2): (Command) 'He's a shitter.'

[2021-02-09T04:53:51] SAY: Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'They are'

[2021-02-09T04:53:51] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (88,88,1): (Command) 'I have eight seats available on the shuttle.'

[2021-02-09T04:54:00] SAY: Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'That's one more then'

[2021-02-09T04:54:00] SAY: Lincoln Flores (124,129,2): (Command) 'Bartender is already down.'

[2021-02-09T04:54:13] SAY: Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'We can fit one more on the list'

[2021-02-09T04:54:27] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (121,126,2): (Command) 'Hold please'

[2021-02-09T04:59:49] SAY: Louis Murray (112,136,2): (Command) 'We got a call captain'

[2021-02-09T05:01:03] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (77,67,1): (Command) 'Please gather those who are set for an Early Retirement up! We'll be over shortly.'

[2021-02-09T05:01:25] SAY: Louis Murray (112,136,2): (Command) 'Shall we gather them at arrivals?'

[2021-02-09T05:01:57] SAY: Sain Eldred (127,178,2): (Command) 'I feel like I should be concerned about 'early retirement' packages.'

[2021-02-09T05:02:46] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (79,94,1): (Command) 'I assure you Magistrate, the Early Retirement Package is perfectly legitimate.'

[2021-02-09T05:02:47] SAY:  Lincoln Flores (50,145,2): (Command) 'Captain, you should make an announcment saying who needs to go to arrivals for early retirement.'

[2021-02-09T05:03:15] GAME: Damian Weisgarber has made Priority Announcement: Priority Announcement - ASAP I need Phoebe Dean, Pity The Fanclown Clown of Prolithium Belts, Sr. Hands, Fatwe Pylon, Gordo Weisgarber, and Frank Gallagher to report to the front of the bridge - Damian Weisgarber (Captain)

[2021-02-09T05:04:14] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (36,133,2): (Command) 'Er- heads of staff do not qualify for Early Retirement.'

[2021-02-09T05:04:29] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (113,137,2): (Command) 'well that is good to know!'

[2021-02-09T05:06:56] SAY: Louis Murray (80,129,2): (Command) 'Do we give them a chance to decline?'

[2021-02-09T05:06:58] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (118,158,2): (Command) 'And Ill throw a time limit on it, lets say 3 minutes? Or Five?'

[2021-02-09T05:07:00] SAY: Louis Murray (80,129,2): (Command) 'or retire them by force?'

[2021-02-09T05:07:07] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (118,158,2): (Command) 'Oh no no we dont give choices here on the Cyberiad'

[2021-02-09T05:07:14] SAY: Louis Murray (80,129,2): (Command) 'Roger that.'

[2021-02-09T05:07:24] SAY: Louis Murray (80,129,2): (Command) 'Be ready HoS, might need to catch some retirees'

[2021-02-09T05:07:29] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (119,179,2): (Command) 'Noted.'

[2021-02-09T05:07:36] SAY: Lincoln Flores (113,133,2): (Command) 'Am I still elligable for early retirement?'

[2021-02-09T05:07:41] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (62,135,2): (Command) 'Actually- you know what? Sure. Let them have the option to decline.'

[2021-02-09T05:09:14] GAME: Damian Weisgarber has made Priority Announcement: Priority Announcement - I need Phoebe Dean, Pity The Fanclown Clown of Prolithium Belts, Sr. Hands, Gordo Weisgarber, and Frank Gallagher to report to the front of the bridge - Damian Weisgarber (Captain)

[2021-02-09T05:13:06] GAME: Damian Weisgarber has made Priority Announcement: Priority Announcement - Still Waiting on Frank, Gordo and the Mime! - Damian Weisgarber (Captain)

 

1 hour ago, Lurapa said:

After our death, for some reason a Death Squad was announced. To force what just happened to a small group, onto the station. Nuking the shift that could have continued as-is.

 

1 hour ago, Zephroze said:

Polling ghosts

The poll was offered to the entire server, living, dead and everything in-between could vote. There is no way of offering votes to only the living, or the dead. It is server wide.

Spoiler

[2021-02-09T05:37:32] ADMIN: Tymara Pendragon has created a communications report: The Early Retirement testing phase was a resounding success! At this point we're considering expanding it to all Cyberiad Employees. However we're aware your station is currently in the middle of a crisis. Due to this crossroads, we're offering a vote. You can either, initiate your Early Retirement Program immediately, or we can try and salvage whatever mess you've made on station.

[2021-02-09T05:38:29] ADMIN: Custom (Early Retirement or Continue) vote started by Tymara Pendragon.
[2021-02-09T05:38:29] Early Retirement or Continue

[2021-02-09T05:38:49] GAME: Damian Weisgarber has made a Centcomm announcement: we choose early retirement. There is not vote, I Captain Weisgarber will decide for everyone. God speed.

[2021-02-09T05:39:37] VOTE: Early Retirement or Continue
[2021-02-09T05:39:37]     Early Retirement: 39 votes
[2021-02-09T05:39:37]     Continue and Attempt To Resolve: 19 votes

[2021-02-09T05:48:47] ADMIN: Phillip Orrbe has created a communications report: Please wait for our Retirement Consultants to assist you in your early retirement. Have a secure day. -A.L.I.C.E.

 

1 hour ago, Zephroze said:

Edit: Also, giving traitor to a mindshielded individual is extremely confusing for security. -HoS player

Spoiler

[2021-02-09T04:10:43] ADMINSAY: Araris Valerian (106,115,2): Anyone opposed to Syndifax?

[2021-02-09T04:10:47] ADMINSAY: Red Prince (98,120,2): nope

[2021-02-09T04:17:29] ADMIN: LightFire53/(Araris Valerian) sent a fax message to Internal Affairs Office:

Communist Canada

Top Secret Communication

To Buttersworth, Is have a job opportunity for you, da? If you accept, burn this communication. I will be watching.

R.A.S.P.O.U.T.I.N.E.,Communist Canada Admiral

Reading this communication will put you at risk for extermination should you not be the intended recipient of it.Extermination will be guaranteed if you are an agent of the Glorious Empire and choose to ignore any instructions in this communication.

[2021-02-09T04:17:38] ADMIN: Araris Valerian replied to Rube Buttersworth's Syndicate message with the message You have an important fax at your machine, da..

[2021-02-09T04:17:58] SAY: Zari Alur (99,175,2):  'What the hell...'

[2021-02-09T04:18:16] ADMIN: Araris Valerian replied to Zari Alur's Syndicate message with the message Will also offer you position too, da?.

[2021-02-09T04:18:43] SAY: Zari Alur (99,175,2):  'Lover of the Russian Queen indeed.'

He was offered a choice, he could of said yes or no, he said yes.

[BryanR]

3 hours ago, Lurapa said:

It's not resolved as discussion never concluded on it.  @Edit update to Nec's reply.

Our Head of Staff concluded your complaint is without merit. There is no discussion needed past this.

He also explained why it was without merit.

Further edits in attempt to circumvent a ruling you are dissatisfied with will be met with forum penalties.

If you have issue with how the complaint was handled submit a new one, against the Head of Staff, explaining why you feel the situation wasn't resolved and the other two Heads of Staff will review it.