Shadeykins
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5 hours ago, bryanayalalugo said:
I also agree, if someone ends up in the brig more than twice, they are clearly a issue to the station.
On that note on Space Law, I think grafitti should be made a minor crime, since it tends to end to be a massive eye sore (e.g. someone writing "shitcurity" all over the brig lobby and the hallway leading to it) and that janitors somehow tends to be incompetent/go missing early on. Not sure how it should be added however, since Vandalism was changed to Damage of Station Assets.
The change was deliberate because you shouldn't get arrested for drawing with crayon on the floor.
If the person is anything but a civilian, you could always just get them fired.
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Crime stacking is a horrible can of worms that should never be opened. Needless complication + easy abuse.
Sparking a Manhunt was already a crime in the past and was abused to the nth degree. It very easily amounts to "security had to find and arrest you, therefore you get charged even if you weren't aware you were under arrest."
Lower times in cells encourages repeat offenses (since each crime matters little, 1-5 minutes isn't even worth sentencing someone over most of the time hence why minor crimes already have an optional warning system).
Repeat offender based off getting brigged again might work, but mostly repeat offender is to deal with that one shit who keeps disarm spamming people.
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The term you're using originates from the original practice of anthropology which advocated for categorization of peoples based on ethnicity (different ethnicities are "different" humans) and is responsible for the proliferation of subhuman ideologies (anthropometry and the association between ethnic groups and intelligence specifically). It exists as a slur precisely because of its associations with subaltern peoples and, yes, is levied as an insult against east and southeast asians (which includes Vietnam, Bengal, etc.). Much like the word "gay" came to be a pejorative because of its associations with homosexuals, so too did this word become associated with down syndrome because of its ethnic associations.
Etymologically, the term was initially used to describe people with down syndrome because they had folded eyes similar to southeast/eastern asian peoples. This should be a pretty big giveaway to the racial motivations behind the word's usage. It became especially popular as a pejorative in the Vietnam war era by certain groups and saw a revival in the post-war period (along with a handful of other colourful slurs nobody has any business using). So yes, it is mostly levied against Vietnamese peoples (in an American context) despite having wider ranging associations.
tl;dr the term is not acceptable and discussion of bans outside of the ban appeal section is not acceptable whatsoever (we especially don't want discussions on slurs either).
A good rule of thumb is that if your insults rely on the denigration of a group of people based off of uncontrolled characteristics (ethnicity, sexuality, etc.), you probably should find better insults.
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Hi, a headmin will handle your complaint when they're able.
In the interim please edit your complaint to follow the template: https://nanotrasen.se/forum/topic/1080-admin-complaints/
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2 hours ago, Splgrk said:
All those people who get annoyed over whether tomatoes are fruit or vegetables hsould just realize that the meaning of words is depending on context. In a botanical context, a tomato is a fruit. In a culinary context, it's a vegetable. Which is a category that has no botanic meaning at all, beyond "Plant part we eat and that is not sweet." There's lots of words that have different meanings in different disciplines.
Both of these words are actually derived from botanical categories.
Tomato being a vegetable is actually the action of grocer's unions demanding its classification as such rather than a natural evolution of language. The common usage is actually derived from the misapprehension of political worker's groups who apparently have nothing better to do. If you've ever worked at a unionized grocery and read its agreement, there's almost always a section in the CBA about tomatoes being fruit.
It's real dumb.
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On 1/22/2019 at 7:45 PM, Rebel0 said:
But I do not feel we are asking the questions that need to be asked, fennofen. If a tomato is a fruit...
Is ketchup a jam?Ketchup is a preserve/dressing (like Mayo). You could make tomato jam/jelly w/ sugar and pectin. It would be closer to a chutney, presumably.
Tomatoes are indeed fruit! This has to do with the orientation of the epicarp, endocarp, and mesocarp and the fact that it originates from the 'mammary' of the plant.
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25 minutes ago, davidchan said:
Adrenals is the problem here, not the E-swords. Stun is king of combat and while deflect/block makes it harder to stun them, it's the actual kip up from adrenals that allows them to get up quickly and re-arm that is making them seemingly invincible. If stims came with a side effect (a twitch that made them turn the d-blade off or drop the weapon) then you'd almost assuredly see this particular strategy less effective without nerfing other game modes (traitor) who might use the weapon.
Adrenals should be flight or fight, not both.Stims making you drop an item wouldn't balance this out to be fair, it would just make tasers/batons have an even bigger edge in combat.
The real issue is instastun in general.
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1 hour ago, Threeinone said:
excuse me???? how????
Attack them on harm intent?
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Thank you for making a complaint,
I have been authorized to handle your complaint by: @FreeStylaLT
First and foremost, "Trial Admins" are administrators. They have every right to message you when you're breaking the server rules. If you take offense to being messaged by administrators and feel like that's undue harassment, that is something you will have to work out on your own.
Regarding your situation, here's some additional context courtesy of your friend who decided to ahelp after you complained to them about being banned.
QuotePM from-PlayerPyroclasticFuntime/(Horatio Muggins): Care to expain why you suck so much dick as an admin and banned two people who did nothing wrong. I was giving this server one last hurrah before it died because of trashmins like you. that guy came into the office and started swinging first, not our fault we thought he was on damage. So I say to you before whatever happens happens, what the fuck you\\\'re doing with all that power you have besides flaunting it and banning two people for a small offence. though in due time you might mature enought to understand that it\\\'s just a game and you need to relax and have fun. noone died til now and to be honest I\\\'m surprised he hadn\\\'t died sooner or been beaten to shit like he was for his nonsense. But on that note, I wish this server the best and hope you don\\\'t hold power for long. Bes wishes ~Pyro
Metacomming is against our rules. It is, in fact, against the rules of pretty much every SS13 server out there.
We issue permanent bans to people who engage in metacommunication.
Here's the crux of the conversation you had with Moxie. After claiming that you hit someone 19 times on accident because you were "on the wrong intent mode," "don't understand disarming," and repeatedly attempted to change the subject, EvadableMoxie informed you that they would be issuing a permanent ban.
Quote[2018-12-22T09:01:29] ADMIN: PM: EvadableMoxie->Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier): Given your history, and the fact that you were playing an IAA and thus held to a higher standard, and the fact that you refuse to accept you are responsible for your own actions, I've issuing a perminant ban. Take some time off and decide if you want to play here and if you do, appeal it once you're ready to follow the rules.
[2018-12-22T09:01:40] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: What the hell?
[2018-12-22T09:01:53] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: You have NO reason to ban me
[2018-12-22T09:02:07] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: We weren't even talking about the same subject
[2018-12-22T09:02:22] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: And you continued on your subject, not reconciliating with me that I wasn't talking about the same subject,
[2018-12-22T09:02:50] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: So I mean, if I get banned over a subject, that I could not talk about, how is that REASONABLE, to even ANYONE, that I just get BANNED over nothing? I hope you're understanding.
[2018-12-22T09:03:25] ADMIN: PM: EvadableMoxie->Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier): I'm not here to talk about what you want to talk about. I'm here to talk to you about you nearly beating someone to death. and yes, I do have reason to ban you, it'll be on the ban reason you recieve shortly.
[2018-12-22T09:03:47] ADMIN: PM: EvadableMoxie->Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier): No, but you can certainly request another admin handle your appeal.
[2018-12-22T09:03:49] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: You seem to literally want to ban me without speaking to me.
[2018-12-22T09:04:03] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: Wow.
[2018-12-22T09:04:15] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: If this is how I'm going to get treated over trying to talk
[2018-12-22T09:04:37] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: I would rather just play another game while I write out an appeal because you've been nothing but disrespectful to me as a human being to a human being...
[2018-12-22T09:04:51] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie: It's not emotionally correct to treat someone who is trying to talk to you in such a way.Here's the crux of what lead EvadableMoxie to decide a ban was necessary.
Quote[2018-12-22T08:52:01] ADMIN: PM: Phriendsy/(Brazey Brazier)->EvadableMoxie/(Grimes): Did you read what I last said? It's not my decision that I nearly beat someone to death, I wasn't trying to. It seems you're trying to presume something in that.
Lying to administrators is against the rules. You do not "accidentally" click on someone 19 times while changing weapons (alternating between your fists and a glass shard specifically).
We issue permanent bans to people who lie to administrators.
As Moxie pointed out to you, nobody was holding a gun to your head and forcing you to make spacemen go horizontal. I'm wholly unconvinced about your story regarding you not understanding disarming. If you can't comprehend that the very obvious bold red-text prompts on your screen, blood spatter, stabbing noises, and screaming sounds indicate that you're killing someone, you are either lying or mentally impaired. In either case, it is not the onus of the community to put up with your behaviour.
This isn't even to get into the fact that you were trying to murder someone as an Internal Affairs agent because they disarmed you twice.
Complaint is without merit and thereby resolved.
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7 minutes ago, Karmasakakiki said:
If spacelaw overrides SOP, then crew members would have to be sent to permabrig during a nuclear operations round when they get their hands on class S contraband. Also I'v been executed by guillotine before and even made a report against the players that did it here on the forum. I was accused, but, no proof was around and the accusers didn't have mind shield implants. They didn't get sentenced for murder. Why? Well I won't deny that I was a changeling. There was no evidence of this. All I did was blow out the electricity around my department while a witness was watching, not a mind shielded witness. There was more than one person who "wasn't mind shielded" that accused me of this as well, as I did this around three parts of the station. I didn't kill a single person, trespass, or anything of that nature. It's not a matter or rather or not they violated space law, but, rather or not anybody was going to do anything about it, which is the bottom line of every rule on this server, even the server rules themselves. I witness this every time I play and it's a very common thing on how most online servers are ran.
In fact in real life, there is pretty much a law that makes something illegal that you do without knowing it or something you believe that could be considered a mental disorder. Why do you think everybody is still out of prison or jail for the most part aside from a few people who are made an example out of even if they're just as guilty as everybody else? Because the system wouldn't work anymore, which is the entire reason for this power structure. I mean if "SOP" can't override space law, then most people would always be in the brig and I'd have already been permabanned for putting someone in the brig for very minor infractions.
Multiple people witnessing you EMPing your surroundings with no clear source of that EMP is more than enough testimony. Non mind-shielded personnel can still testify, the only difference is that their testimony is not true by default.
Your blatant misreading of Space Law and SOP is not grounds for an argument. You have been told by three admins as to the actual interpretation of Space Law thus far, one of whom actually wrote the document itself. If you bothered to actually read Space Law, you would be well aware that you can't brig people during a station-wide emergency when there's an imminent threat to the health of prisoners.
Space Law > SOP.
Follow the server rules.
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1 hour ago, Karmasakakiki said:
Space Law also states that I can execute someone on sight because they escaped or attempted to escape permabrig. That would be a conflict within space law itself and there isn't a stated priority in space law as to which order laws should overrule each other relating to some form of standard operating procedures. Breaking space law stated procedures states no consequence other than the feedback from the staff themselves. This falls on SOP, where SOP states that SOP is malleable. SOP also states "Breaching Standard Operating Procedure without a very good reason is grounds for demotion, at the discretion of the relevant Head of Staff". SOP never states if I can only take away from the SOP or add to the SOP. Because of that, in the case of a changeling, guillotine and incinerator could be something that could be done. The only in character consequence is if the other heads disagree. If the heads agree, then the only other consequence is a direct message from "centcom" or an admin message.
Laws do not overrule one another. There are several exception clauses for "Use of Deadly Force" so Security isn't hamstrung.
This is not "overruling other laws," it's quite literally to allow security to do their job.
Guillotine/Incinerator are not valid means of execution. The incinerator is literally only permissible because of the Changeling Enemy of the Corporation clause.
QuoteChangelings/Testimony - All changelings are to be considered hostile alien lifeforms and a direct threat to all personnel. All changelings are to be killed on sight and immediately cremated. Forensic evidence and/or direct testimony from Mindshielded personnel is necessary to establish proof. Personnel who provide false testimony are to be charged with Murder if the supposed changeling is killed and attempted murder if it is not.
If you do not follow through on proper execution standards, it's considered murder. This includes improperly executing prisoners.
QuoteAs a member of Security, higher standards of play are expected of you. You are expected to follow Space Law and Standard Operating Procedure correctly, when playing Security.
If you wish to RP a corrupt member of Security (taking bribes, beating a prisoner, etc), then Adminhelp for permission first. We're generally willing to give permission if the situation warrants it, or you have a valid justification
This is Rule 10.
Intentionally violating the rules will get you warned/disciplined/job-banned. It is absolutely within the rules that security should be following Space Law. Additional adherence to SOP is expected for security because it handles things like brigging procedures, trials, and execution standards (which are not inherently part of Space Law).
1 hour ago, Karmasakakiki said:I mean if you do it, you aren't violating space law. Centcom/Admin > Server Rules > SOP > Space Law. It's this lack of understand of what set of rules to obey first that makes people confused about the rules. SOP has to be higher priority than space law for a malleable overriding of space law under emergency circumstances.
The override is inherent in Space Law. Space Law is not under SOP.
SOP is complementary to Space Law, not the other way around.
Space Law > SOP
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On 11/12/2018 at 2:14 AM, TheClosetMailman said:
Everything except space law seems to be outdated at this point.
We still got anyone alive updating the wiki?
Quite a few antags need an update as I've been quite lost far too often, several powers, gear and tips are outdated.
Sincerely, Sweeper
We're currently maintaining 363 content pages, 2400+ files, and over 200 redirects. Of this, only 46 pages are labeled for updating (36), expansion (7), or deletion (3) and in active need of attention. This means roughly 9/10 (88%) pages are (to my knowledge) up to date.
Most wiki-development work occurs either silently (anonymous/personal contribution) or is discussed on the #wiki-development channel on our wiki. The forum section here is sadly deprecated and only really serves as a quick reference for the wiki-contributor tag guidelines at this point.
If there are pages not clearly marked by a templated header stating "OUT OF DATE" but updates are required to the page, please inform me of the relevant pages/reasons so they can be tagged for updates.
As TDS mentioned, you are also welcome to contribute to the wiki yourself and make emendations where needed.
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https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pulls?utf8=✓&q=is%3Apr+maint+drone
Many issues get resolved on the GitHub or even on the Discord/server. Not everything is noted down on the forums.
Asking administration to copy-paste a response on every single pertinent thread/venue in every location (when we may not even know about the thread's existence) is not feasible.
If you have a concern about the current status of drones, you are more than welcome to create a new and relevant thread about it. Necroing a thread that has been dead for four months to try and make a critique about the coding team is not the way to do it. Reasoning is already supplied on the pertinent pull request.
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6 hours ago, Vissy said:
So-o... It's been over 4 months since the last activity in this topic, and seemingly no progress on it whatsoever. Could we get some attention from the proposers of the nerf in question, or maintainers, or..? Please? .-.
This was done and dealt with, as you yourself mention, four months ago. Don't necro threads, please.
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7 minutes ago, ZaeCathe said:
Yo what's wrong with you two give the vox some love y'all the reason they don't feel love.
Vox can't love.
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Moving to resolved at the request of: @necaladun
I apologize for the lack of response, this isn't the usual place to request a ban extension.
If you want to request an extended ban, simply contact any active member of administration via the discord.
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On 9/20/2018 at 3:50 PM, Calecute said:
I tried the industrial veil and got blinded, never went back to veils cuz my tarj char usually works robo.
To be honest I’m not even sure why we have so few loadout points. There are some things with some game advantage, but a lot are just style, and even the things that give an advantage are usually pretty small.Minimize the amount of 'stuff' spawning in and to maintain the usefulness of some of the other mechanics (autodrobe, cargo, etc.).
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And this is why I don't play a Vulpkanin.
Thanks, Dreamy.
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Just port the /tg/ moths, they look a lot better.
Nobody plays Kidan anyways, so we can just replace those right? :^) (Sorry Ki'Li!)
But yes, port moths.
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1 hour ago, EpicWinNoob said:
The closest thing I believe would be vandalism for deconstructing parts of the station in order to build a thing. That being said, a specific crime centered around building without a permit would be interesting. Especially considering the fact the CE ever actually has to use the building plans to designate areas of the station all that much.
The permits are only actually useful if you need to designate a new room.
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As mentioned by ID404, @Warior4356 is working on VR.
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Just make it an ID recycler. Old ID in, new ID out.
Would be cool if the HoP's computer was replaced with it--demolecularize an ID card and reform it into a new one with different access.
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This entire thread shifted from "useless mechanics" to "useful secret tips."
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Anon messages you can send when you give someone Karma
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Administratively it would be a bit more for us to enforce, but it's a nice idea.
It would be a little canned, but a selection of prompts (pre-filled responses) would nip any potential issues in the butt (you could select roleplay, antag, helpful, etc., basically to let people know why you karma'd them).