Streaky Haddock Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Blueshield has HoP access but without the ID card. It's unsuitable for their job. They don't need hydro, kitchen or chapel accesses. They should have basic engineering access, though and perhaps RnD access, since I find it hard to protect the CE and RD since they are consistently walled off by my accesses. The Blueshield similarly does not need the HoP headset. HoS headset would make far more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9013100 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 For his access, I would keep it the same, and if anything, more access to medbay and the brig, along with basic access to all departments. But with the headset, I would just switch the supply channel with the medical channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habalabam Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I think blueshield belongs on the security channel (to follow and coordinate) and command channel (as that's where people are that he is to protect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Also, he needs some extra ammo and a SWAT helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belarion Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Also, he needs some extra ammo and a SWAT helmet. The cargo Autolathe needs an ID lock... Way too many blueshields have their way with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zgun Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Also, he needs some extra ammo and a SWAT helmet. The cargo Autolathe needs an ID lock... Way too many blueshields have their way with it. More like don't give Blueshield ID cargo access since blueshield never does jack to defend the QM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 As I said, the blueshield's accesses atm make no sense. He doesn't need cargo access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 He does unless he gets more ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 Everybody needs things from cargo, but not everybody has cargo access. The NT Rep has a good reason to be in cargo but unless he's following the HoP, the Blueshield doesn't. I'm interested in making it possible for the Blueshield to do his job properly whilst keeping some semblence of balance. The Blueshield doesn't need access to all these civilian departments, but he DOES need engineering access and possibly RnD/Research Shuttle access because that's where the CE and RD often are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habalabam Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 As the blueshield is instrumental to head of staff safety, he needs to be able to respond to every place on the station. I don't see NT creating safety blind spots in order to accommodate sensitivities of cargo haulers. However, if he abuses it, QM should demand that HoP revoke that access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 If we're going by that logic, all loyalty implanted staff would have all-access, but we have to take into account that antagonists need places to do their dirty work, so there must be access restrictions in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habalabam Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Very little, if any, of my post would translate to "all loyalty implanted staff". No other position would be in a position to accompany (or immediately locate) any head of staff to (on) any part of the station. Blueshield is the secret service of SS13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 Yeah true, but when I think of accesses I tend to keep nations in mind. There's no earthly reason why the Blueshield would have cargo access, but he NEEDS Engineering access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I especially hate that Blue shields take the lathe in Cargo as their personal vending machine. Back when I was QM a lot I got anything from a screaming match to being arrested to keep the Blueshield from emptying the lathe of metal for autoloaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 That can be fixed by giving them plenty of ammo. Maybe reduce the autolathe cost as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midaychi Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Maybe just straight up give blueshield a command radio and captains level access, but also give them an on-spawn warning that they are not to abuse their position for anything besides protecting their mark. Also maybe have jobbans for big abusers? Blueshield is not security, the HOS, the HOP, the RD, CE, nor the Captain. Their job is simply to protect their head's life and safety etc etc that sort of thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habalabam Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Isn't that how it already works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 No, Haba. I am very wary of giving a job all access because ~nations~. There are some departments that cannot defend against an early capture from a Blueshield. I know, because I've done it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Maybe Blueshield should have a different job in nations then. Merc that ONLY defends maybe? Could be a good way to counter sec raids. A single "niche" gamemode shouldn't stop a job from getting balanced. If it does cause problems the gamemode should be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habalabam Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Yes, rather change the specifics of the game mode than having the blueshield position make little sense when the game regular modes are played. You should change the topic to "Nations balancing" or something. This is not really about the blueshield as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Yes it is about the blueshield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigercat2000 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 In my experience, changing the access on the blueshield is completely fucking pointless. Almost every sensible captain/HOP will gladly give the blueshield full-access if they seem good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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