[What constitutes powergaming? Nuke Ops edition]

56 minutes ago, necaladun said:

Change it how? Make xrays cause more gene instability? Make people appear as skeletons? 

This is a great example of really unhelpful feedback. It's hyperbolic - as I've seen many exciting firefights, both with and without tasers. This makes it pretty easy to ignore and dismiss by just citing numerous examples that prove it untrue.

im not interested in giving feedback, its your server, if i wanted to give feedback i would, these are only brief examples, and to be honest, there's already alot of feedback and suggestions from the server, there's already been plenty xray discussions, im sure if you talked to your community you would learn about it, it's been one year and you still want feedback about it?

you guys own the server and you keep asking for feedback, i mean sure, FEEDBACK is helpful, but you as the maintainer's and admins are expected to run and improvise it, there's already been plenty of good PR's with quite alot of effort, and denied. Of those ''6000 PR's'' you have closed and changed, 40% could've been interesting code changes,maybe even more. and them being denied was up to the maintainer reviewing it.

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What "the players" want isn't one thing. Some players want some things, some want others.

some of those players are you, that want MRP, and some players want what you want, im not saying you give EVERYTHING any people with the different idea wants. by asking if ''this is a MRP server right?'' im obviously referring to that, so i have no idea why you're bringing up ERP or PvP, what i mean is if you want paradise to be this way then make it this way, if you want to keep it like the current state it is, go on, but it's pretty clear that not many are happy with the current state, ''xrays obliterating blob'', and specially people suiciding instantly because of this, people rushing to kill wizard even though theyre friendly, and because they hate wizard completely, even though they hate it, your maintainer has been seen forcing Ragin Mages and clearly noone enjoys it, im not giving names, you can resist grab always, a often abused bug, or target people middle clicking and spamming left click, i've seen some players do this and it's wrong i recently realized so i completely did not know about it before, if i did, i would've had, honestly it doesn't seem like you're trying, just doesn't.

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 That's not to say I'm going to dismiss it however. Yes, I agree tasers are a problem - this has been discussed for many years with no one offering a clear solution that people can agree on or a working alternative, especially considering tasers are only 1 of many, many other stuns in the game. 

again if i wanted to give a good example i would've had, it's not my problem you don't have a solution, you guys have to find your solutions,with ideas. the fact that it has been discussed for many years with noone offering a clear solution is shocking, you probably know why, you need to make changes.

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Firing pins have been discussed and that's not the kind of thing we want for this server. Personally the idea of having a risk of your own gun used against you adds to my fun and enjoyment. I had a fight recently where my esword changed hands 4 times throughout one fight. To me, that made for a fun and enjoyable fight. Picking up shotguns from the fallen and being disarmed and swapping back and forth is bloody cool if you ask me. 

If you're prefer firing pins, then there's a server that caters for it - /tg/ in this case. That's ok - but don't think your idea of balance and fun is that shared by everyone else. I personally find it quite unrealistic, as the risk of having your own gun against you is very much a thing police have to deal with IRL, and adds to the complexity and thought you have to put into using a weapon.

if you don't want firing pins then that's okay, if thats your idea of having your own risk of your own gun, then thats your idea, what you want, keep it, however that's your opinion though, yours, but as you say, admins opinions matters more, does it? others would probably find that unfun, others would find it fun, but remember it was just a example. personally i find paracode more unrealistic, you can eat with helmets. I find firing pins realistic, it's been 500 years lorewise, they have new technology, way better, and if i didnt mention, you can use the nukie guns against them, you can take the pins off and replace it with one you may use.

 

also have you watched john wick? that was just a quote, didnt have to make a full paragraph about it.

[What constitutes powergaming? Nuke Ops edition]

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This isn't true at all. The whole purpose of antagonists is to help create a more interesting story; every good story has a good antagonist. SS13 is the farthest thing from a PvP game. It's a cooperative story telling game, and if you view it as a PvP game, then you're going to have a bad time. Go play overwatch instead if you have this mentality.

 

you guys want to help antagonists make a more interesting story? make changes in your code to make it ''more'' interesting, it's been a year or more and xrays haven't been fixed, you know how much you can do with that even if it's not a blob, change the code  and MAYBE you can get a chocolate cake. i dont know why tell people to go play something else if you have this ''mentality'', what mentality, dude people plays to have fun and have entertainment, you're not being helpful at all if you don't give the players what they want to see, this is a MRP server right?.

 

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We'd prefer exiting fire fights, stories of heroism and loss, and last minute saves, in nuke op rounds.

yeah i would love to see that, but there is Mr.tasers, everyone will know that the taser is the smartest decision to ''win'' a fight, that's why birdtalon's point makes alot of sense,

there can't be firefights with such things as tasers, OR revolvers ''>gets shot with revolver, ''oh im already at crit, epic'', i can't tell if armor is even armor. cause i get fucked with a hardsuit, when im tased. i don't even think you can be tased or batonned with such things as hardsuits.

/TG/ code is an example, they have alot of balanced stuff which is pretty fair, guns needs firing pins in order so they can be used, mindshield firing pins, which needs to be researched and made in a lathe, or standard firing pins, which anyone can use, BUT these are only in the armory, fair, so if anyone makes a gun, they would need to steal a firing pin to use it, Nuke ops get their syndicate firing pins in their guns, so whenever a crewmember disarms them, they dont get LMG'd with their own gun, here you can do this. or instead they could just be tased, and killed with their own gun, geeze what a fun fire fight.  I mean sure TG has alot of cool and powerful features but its balanced and it has its own complexity to get.

this is just my opinion. don't take it too serious.

consider this professional courtesy

[Screenshot thread!]

>not bigfatbananacyclops art ;( @ZN23X

[(Changes to Pre-Existing Job) Trans-Solar Federation Marine, Tune-Up Suggestion!]

Think the ARG description should be ''A robust assault rifle used by the Trans-Solar Federation Marines''would do, NT uses more energy guns than ballistics and ''NT and TSF aint the same''

Also i think the solar federation uniform should have armor and they should have a unique vest.

Some helmet in their bag would be nice too.

if the solarfed is gonna be an ERT, they should come with some gear for nonlethal issues, enforcer or some gun that can use rubber.

[Bigfat's new nerd arts]

used to

[Bigfat's new nerd arts]

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[Aurts]

neeeaat, if commissions are still up, I'd love to see a mike Murdock art

[Bigfat's new nerd arts]

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[Security numbers]

Antagonist goes loud on murdersprees when there's big lack of security/ unexperienced. When it's shadowlings or wizard, the station would be doomed, nor alot of people in command can trust security-hired people from manifest.

[Dreamy Commissions]

elo must have glued his beret in her head to keep it on like that.

[Synthetic Union War]

@gangelwaefre i've never seen anything bout diplomacy in the lore about them, i only know they are cordial with most governing bodies but i wouldnt assume with NT or trans solar, because of the old events between them

But yeah i think an extremist group would be good.

[Synthetic Union War]

Hi, im going to suggest a event

Synthetic Union War

Map Changes: No

Code Changes: No

Suggested Number of Players:Around 80-100

 

Full Description of Event:A new threat is born, the Synthetic Union had grown tired and been opposed, they are being outnumbered and wants to stop the organic human filth from growing and spreading their propaganda all across the galaxy,they want their revenge for all the mistreatment of synthetics, they have declared war on the Trans-Solar Federation and Nanotrasen, the Synthetic Union has formed massive fleets and armies ready to strike them, one of this fleets containing synthetic armies heads towards NSS Cyberiad, somehow getting in through bluespace, NSS Cyberiad is warned by CC in 12:10(make sure to play an alarm damnit) that they are going to be attacked soon and CC cannot send ERT until 13:20 due to incoming attacks coming to CC. The Synthetic Army will attack in 12:25 giving the crew time to prepare.

Examples of the warning announcement

''Cyberiad this is not a drill, We and the trans-solar federation had been declared at by the Synthetic Union, we have detected a fleet of destroyers incoming towards you, we are doing our best to hold them off!, the real bad news are, a transport fleet along with a corvette has gone through and it will dock at your station any time soon, we DO not know how many troops they have there, get armed inmediatly and protect the station! we will send ERT soon, you may not evacuate until CC has been secured from this synthetic filth.''(optional announcement)

Important details of the event, the soldiers are going to be IPCs and borgs, they OBVIOUSLY are going to get EMP'd and killed real quick, that is why there is going to be wave of IPC squads coming in attacking the crew whenever the lastest squad dies,  to make it fair. 

My suggestion of the IPC loadout for them is.(optional too)

-combat turtleneck/OR NT-SID Jumpsuit

-New Canaan Hoodie/OR  Ablative Vest

-Blood-red-Helmet

-Combat boots

-Bag

-Cybenetic laser gun implant and energy blade implant./ OR laser carbine gun for each.

ANNOUNCEMENT TIMES:(optional too)

12-08-Newscast is announced that the Synthetic Union has declared war on NT and the Trans-Solar Federation

12:10-NSS Cyberiad is warned by CC that there's going to be a transport fleet full of alotof troops invading them

12:20-The synthetic troops strike Cyberiad.

13:20 ERT come to assist cyberiad fighting off the massive IPC troops

13:55 CC tells cyberiad that CC is secure, FOR NOW, and tell cyberiad to evacuate quick before they strike again.

[Racial Suggestions Round 2: Karma races]

@SkeletalElite 

Weird, i imagined they do cause i feel i get more damage when hurt.

[Racial Suggestions Round 2: Karma races]

Asides from plasmaman having a free space suit, they cant wear anything else like a helmet or exosuit unless its fireproofed and their suit too, doing so  is a risk cause itll set people around on fire, plasmaman ALSO gets more damage with brute or lasers, they got a bigger chance of bone broke as far as i remember.

I believe every race already has a decent weakness.

Vox can die to EMP and have weak bones(higher chance of bone break) (They're loud and can be located way easier too when speaking)

Kidan cant even wear glasses, its annoying i believe they should be allowed to get special goggles. and pest spray kills them

Diona gets killed by plant b gone, they're strong but SLOW, they can self regen

Slimes, alot of stuff, cold, temperature gun, frost oil. Able to grow their own limbs.

Greys, fire extinguishers, and gets more damage, water kills them. Psionic Communication

Drasks, heat kills them, so does a temp gun. Breathing cold oxygen regenerates them (also loud)

IPC's, EMP of course. Easily repairable

Skrell, no idea but inmune to water like /the pool/, cant drown

Unathi no idea what's bad in them but they have claws and i swear i dont like the claw decap chance

Vulps, no idea. claws

Tajarans, no idea neither. and claws

Humans, bigger knockdown chance.

MY ACTUAL SUGGESTION

I suggest kidans can spawn with special goggles for them like sec huds , its impossible to play security as a kidan specially when you get flash gear, and you have no protection of it.

Raise the chance of greys extinguishing fire when they roll, litterally when theyre set on fire, theyll obviously get fire extinguished(with a intent of helping).. and thats going to kill them.

Plasmaman should atleast come out cloned but in a critical state, it's not fair to instantly take a player out once cloned then having no DOCTORS knowing how to revive. Atleast giving a chance to the doctor to put them on a cryotube before they die, seem fair.

One more suggestion even though the race isnt mentioned REMOVE CLAW DECAP CHANCE 

[Screenshot thread!]

ruriks funeral, we made a religion out of this too 

[What your SS13 role says about you]

noone of the roles i play says something true.

[Dnd Nukeops]

Name of Event:Dnd Nukeops

One Sentence Description A team of nuke ops are going into a journey of Dnd, but this time its real, and they all have classes, their journey concludes in nuking the station:

 

Map Changes:No

 

Code Changes:No

 

Suggested Number of Players:Around 70-100

 

 

Full Description of Event:

Each nuke op will have a specific class, they will not use TC crystals or anything.

List of classes:

Warrior:Obviously gets warrior armor, a nice shield and a melee, could be a Singuloth Warrior.

Wizard: Just the regular wizard, but maybe should give them specific powers so they dont go overboard, i'd suggest giving them Fireball,Mist,Rathen's Secret,Mutate and a staff (any they want to pick except full revive as i suggest)

Xenomorph: Just a xenomorph, litterally, player can pick the class of xeno they want, Hunter,Drone,Sentinel. No queens however

Cleric:A holy cleric with a healing staff (not the full heal staff), Bible, Medibeam gun, They could have the monk staff which can be wielded with two hands and have carp or forcewall.

Lich:A lich (the wizards power), but has a Crown, king suit and a sword, it also haves its own skeleton bodyguards.

Thief:A thief with a very lethal strong dagger, nice hood,pick pocket gloves,chameleon suit, also he should get some throwing knives.

*Extra additional Class: Archer: Just an archer with a bow.

The five nuke ops will pick their class and the admins will give it to them,  i'd suggest to have an admin Narrate their story through announcements, the story is that they came to achieve the holy disk and put it on the holy artifact to please the holy space gods(nuke). 

[Pawneax's Art Stuff]

holy shit can we make that our new intro.

[Flash that Borg!]

Flash and flashbangs were MEANT to disable borgs for various reasons, they should be kept in, they would be incredibly powerful if they couldnt be disabled with flashes.

And noone wants to get that single ion rifle and work on RND for more ion rifles

[Your favorite characters in Paradise]

i think my favorite character would be Mike Murdock   Sirius, i know this guy and he's honestly a really funny antagonist when i see him, he RP's well, he's a very competent doctor and sec officer, he never gets his stuff wrong, he's a cool guy.

Haythem Castian, he's a pretty decent antagonist, and he clicks pretty hard, robust too.

Henry 'Grandpa' Gadow, Denthamos, he's the best worker i've ever seen, at cargo specially.

Slith-Skaar: He's a great partner for antag

Cheese Burger: He's also a great partnert for mostly everything

[Plasmeme vampires and IPCS]

atleast plasmaman is organic 

[Contraband Change Suggestion]

I can agree with the dart pistol thing,

but

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Riot foam weapons shouldn't be in the hands of the crew. It's why the ammo for it is latheable only under a hacked lathe. If you manage to nick the detective's revolver and modify it into a .357, you should expect just as much trouble as if you loaded any other gun with non-standard ammunition. We already delineate on these sorts of charges, IE: the bartender is fine to have a shotgun, but the second they load it with buckshot there's a massive issue.

I mean it's just a nerf gun, and there would be a difference if it comes with regular foam ammo, so we should just make the Riot foam darts part of contraband and remove that gun.

Also yes, Camera Bug from level S to level C would be good.

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People getting Perma'd for possession of military belt or dufflebag is stupid, but when the bag was still contraband committng a major crime while using it is grounds for perma or even EOC status.

What I'm leery of is crew like civilians possessing equipment such as military belts which can hide any small item, which includes things such as stetchkins.

And yeah i really had a issue with this, being permaed for having Chameleon Jumpsuit and Chameleon Stamp, ''two contrabands''  Honestly, all of contraband needs a rework and more sections, there needs to be a classification, just like its classified on Uplink, Stealth weapons, Devices, Loud stuff, Badassery stuff.

There should be classification for contraband that can be used for harm and if you have two or more of them it's perma, UNLESS it's level S contraband.

Infact there's alot of crafted weapons which are against the law. and are not in contraband, but it cant be added because there's thing ''two contraband instant perma' thing, so as an example if it was in contra it would be like ''spear and hatchet, you go to perma''

[Admin Complaint: Spacemanspark]

Hi, i witnessed the whole thing that happened between Spark and Trexter.

So here's what i saw during the round. First up

Space Law states that lethal force is when someone is Uncontainable, like Hulk, Meth, Adrenals.

Of if they're armed, and or if there's multiple hostiles.

or extreme self defense

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When the command staff are in danger from pretty much every side and it had been proven that the area they were in was quite clearly not safe (the bridge had already been breached and assaulted at least once prior in the round) and a murderer/ attempted murderer is running loose (especially when someone could have easily hacked in and grabbed him [which, again, had already happened earlier in the round, although with different people]), lethal measure can be taken to deal with those that attack them, especially in a situation such as revolutionaries.

I was a revolutionary and a clown, i clearly remember that most of us haven't attempted to breach the bridge at all, we we're pretty much fighting security meanwhile where the fight mostly happened in maints. Ide Taro the leader did send me and Jillian to kill the HOS and CMO, i broke into security and looked for the HOS, and there is where i ended up dying because security started beating me up in anger when i was already cuffed and they took my helmet off when they had mindshield implants, jillian tempted to save me in processing and thats where we both got screwed.

But this happened like on the beginning of the shift, we were caught and destroyed way before of what happened to trexter.

I was dead when i watched what happened.

I do recall most of the revolutionaries weren't doing anything and minding their own business.

And Ide Taro the leader was killed by their own Revolutionary, which im pretty sure, probably got handled by admins.

The other leader wasnt doing much at all, who was the coroner

And Arsenic got screwed trying to spread the revolution stealthly, but it went slow, but most he converted didnt seem to do much.

The bridge seemed pretty okay, the only head that died was the HOS because he was in battle fighting the revs, and not in the bridge, rather out in the field.

Trexter was alone there and cuffed, you guys had mindshields, yet you still didnt bother mindshielding a crewmember, because that can also help get more people on your side. asides from him being robust

And just killed him for a unknown reason.

I am pretty sure that the revolutionaries that were trying to do anything were me, Jillian and Kraven.

Im also pretty sure command wouldve been already noticing how the revolution is getting screwed. because any revolution will include flashspam and a huge attack on the bridge with heads already dying.

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These were also unusual circumstances where he wasn't able to be transferred to the brig easily for 'proper' processing (if such a thing was even possible at that point). As Vangar noted, they really were outnumbered and outmatched. Every minute I had spent (that wasn't tabbed out attending to something else completely unrelated to the game) during that round was used in stopping the revolutionaries. I'd stop one, three more would spring up, and the cycle would continue.

There weren't many revolutionaries doing anything im pretty sure most of security squad got destroyed by two people (Me and Jillian Small) because i do recall we slipped and took their gear. and Kraven Lockharte too who did kill the HOS in dorms.

Infact i did spare Vince Piper(sec pilot) and he suicided anyways.

And some of the officer did get healed and patched up, like Ariel Addison, the HOS was saved and revived too.

Just because your laws says you can do it, doesn't mean you gotta do it.

I also don't know if lethal force was ever authorised.

[ExGame's Drawings]

How is katiki breathing on a beach??? *scream

[Fei's Art Corner]

okay, that lavaland picture... holy shit amazing