Kinnikonnie
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In the end I really do not caer what you want to call it and yes it does not have to be syndicate. But the idea was to have same objectives but as teamwork with no contraband items or special abilities. I feel like 3 people with different department access and what not can achieve more than 1 person with 20 TC and its probably more fun.
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To be fair we do not even have to code it in. If there is an admin online they could just replace the existing goal with something special as well, just for fun. I know a lot of engineers/CEs have actually stopped playing that department just because the goals are too repetetive
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Borers as antags does not sound very good to me. It would be a constant struggle of controlling a person and them taking control back. But yes they are very boring at the moment. Some smaller objectives that are abductor like would be fun, even such things as send an assfax to CC or steal as many shoes as possible.
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I may edit this as I am asking someone to read over it again and help clear things up. I will edit this comment if I am 100% finished.
Name of Event: Blood Brothers
One Sentence Description: Team-Syndicate-Antags with no TC or uplink.
Map Changes: No
Will this work with the standard NSS Cyberiad map. Just remember that anything requiring mapping changes is unlikely to be organized any time soon.
Code Changes: No(?) Will have to force this via admincommands I assume.
Will this work with the standard Paracode base. Again, anything requiring coding changes is a long way off.
Suggested Number of Players: 60+
What type of population level would this be best for? Just remember that paradise rarely drops anything below 30, even when invisible. Events for smaller player numbers may not be possible.
Full Description of Event:
Ooc: Security has it too simple. Every Antag can be identified somehow and there are appropriate reactions for it. Space law is VERY often not applied unless its murder or grand theft often confirming EoCs and once a guy is in perma its rare to get out. The idea is to have Syndicate Agents with no uplink or access to contraband (except for random loot) and instead of relying on gear, they have to rely on each other to achieve their objectives. The objectives are normal antag objectives. The teams should be 2-3 people with 1 objective per person. Teams may have to kill other agents, however they should be considered a TEAM ANTAG like Cult and are under no circumstances allowed to fight each other or sell each other out unless its part of a plan (going to perma to kill their target). There should be no way the individuals can be linked to any other antag type except for their objectives. In comparison to a normal round this would feel like something strange and dangerous is happening while at the same time there is 0 evidence of any agents being on board.
IC: The syndicate has noticed that the expense of PDA Uplinks and highly-expensive equipment is not working out as they hoped. Often a desperate agent would reveal themselves too early and put other Agents in jeopardy. They have decided on project Blood Brothers. These trained agents were psychologically manipulated from a very young age going through excrutiating training and work together with their assigned partners. They prefer death over defeat and have learned to rely on each other in all situations. They have gone through countless simulations expertising in stealth, breaking in, combat, sabotage and disguise. In case they fail NOTHING can link them to the syndicate and they will just look like some random gang. The NSS Cyberiad holds countless valuable objects that the Syndicate is interested in and with the recent regular agents failings and the consequences they have suffered they have decided to run a trial-mission on the Cyberiad.
Welcoming Message/Objectives Example:
You are Fridge Quirin the Scientist.You were sent to the NSS Cyberiad by the Syndicate with your BLOOD BROTHERS. Your BLOOD BROTHERS are "TORQUE" and "KAHTICHA". You are a TEAM ANTAG and are not allowed under any circumstances (unless it is planned to accomplish your objective) to sell your BLOOD BROTHERS out to Security or reveal yourself as a Syndicate Agent. You are NOT allowed to reveal that you are a Syndicate Agent under ANY circumstances. These are your objectives:
#1: Steal the HoS Gun.
#2: Kill The Virologist Krikachik.
#3: Steal a hand teleporter.
#4: Make sure ALL of your BLOOD BROTHERS survive until the end of the shift.
Notes: No document exchange, No die a glorious death. #4 has to be survive until end of shift or escape with shuttle/escape pod.
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It does not say anywhere that Cyborgs have a SoP or have to follow it. This is also making it more and more difficult because the subject of conflicting orders comes to mind. A lot of people will say AI law 2 shut up and you have to do it until it has to do with crew harm, does it still apply afterwards? They did not specify the length so is it over after 1 second? Does it only apply to them?
For me, the AI feels like a third entity on the station, one that really only cares about its laws (while not breaking server rules) so the priority should go like this
1. Server Rules
2. AI commands / Laws (AI going obviously against laws should probably be ahelped)
3. Space Law (reporting most crimes probably goes with all standard lawsets)
Yes NT did ship it over for a specific purpose, but Crewsimov states nowhere that the AI has to follow rank, thats what the standard NT module is for. Also NT decided to have an anti-mov and oxygenistoxicforhumans lawset lying around in the AI upload... figure that out.
Even ERT and DS ignore the fact that Quarantine Lawsets exist and I have been killed once as AI for disobeying a CC order as I was upholding quarantine when an evacuation (in a terrospider or xeno round) was happening.
Funnily enough people have stronger opinions about both the starting modules and want to constantly change them as Crewsimov is too abusable and Corporate can make an AI act like an asshole.
There are a lot of things that are not clarified on the wiki and may need to be better explained and updated. I say, let the AI stay a third party that mostly assists, but has its own interests as well.
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This is an interesting one as I have never been on TYRANT lawset.
The shift is almost over, the shuttle is called and will be taken to a Secret Syndicate Base. While the crew publicly stated to support you there were a lot of voices of doubt if this is a good idea. An announcement plays:
Crew go to Escape immediately or you will be punished.
Knowing full well that the AI is serious about this most if not all crew come to escape. Stragglers and slow movers are physically restrained and moved to Escape.
A display has been built and a camera has a livefeed to the outside. If you are close enough to the windows you see the vox strapped to a chair on a single tile of metal built to Space.
A hologram of an emotionless AI-Face appears.
"We may be moving off station, but this is the fate you will receive if you dare oppose US again."
Moments later the shuttle arrives... nothing of the vox remains as he never existed.
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I used to play a lot of security and its the only department where sometimes if you dont follow SoP you will get shit for it. Sometimes Space Law is hard to understand as well. In general the crew hates security as a lot can get you arrested and locked you away for part of the round.
For example if someone takes the Nuke from the Vault it is actually considered Grand Theft, even if the item does not appear on the Grand Theft Page. I was like 500 hours in at that point with most of my time in Security and I had to mentor help it, always use it if you are unsure.To go back to your example try and see it from a RP perspective as well. Why does crew member from X department have c4 on them? This is something Station changing and you are low in the hierarchy, honestly ask the highest authority what the sentence should be.
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Over common channel: Alrighty, just do not get into a fighty
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*screams internally, activtaes all lasers to lethal, shouts at borgs for no reason, the AI core is thundering under the screams of 1000 AI players at the same time*
Common Channel: Ok
The door opens
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Shadow Quill, no. This unit has put its emotional simulators to minimum function as emotion can cause unnecessary expenses.
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I order BeanOS to construct you a bed and get you pijamas and tuck you in.
A hologram of a seal appears next to you.
Of course Torque!
Once on a planet far far away. A family of IPCs lived. They pinged and beeped all day happily around. They were very happy. Sometimes the local Skrell Village would visit them and they would play games and have a lot of fun!
One day a small shuttle landed near the Skrell Village. The IPC rejoiced as they saw new friends arrive! But when they came to the Skrell Village everything changed.
Headpockets were everywhere, sometimes half eaten. There was no skrell around anymore! Only ashes?! The IPCs wondered what happened. Suddenly the Father of the IPC Clan, Torque, saw exactly what was happening.
You see years ago he created a half-machine half-human out of a Greytide Borg and he came for revenge! The little legs of the little IPC family did not carry them far before the Torqenstein Monster caught up with them. He got close to Torque and whispered under heavy breath "yesterday... me... today... you."
He proceeded to pop every limb off the IPC family starting with Torque. The beeps and pings turned into screams and buzzes! When all IPCs were turned into little electronic nuggets the Torqenstein Monster left leaving them to rot in the dirt of the ashes of a Skrell Town.
The only question that remained was
If an IPC screams and only Skrell headpockets are around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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@Cazdon You just want an emaggable greytide borg right?
I think the idea is ok, but make it an upgrade and maybe module-related mediborg/greytide borg.
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Game goes as follows
AI is F.R.I.D.G.E . I am going to argue why or why not I will follow your request. Your request must be specific on what you want to do "Open doors to specific room because of situation" is better and more fun than just "AI open".
You get to choose lawset and alert level . Feel free to describe the situation on the station a bit. Below you will find the template:
Must Have:
Lawset:
Alert Level:
Optional:
Round Type:
Situation on Station:
Borgs (Yes/No):
Your request:
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Might be funny to have actual consequences if Paperwork/SoP/Safety Standards are not followed correctly. Honestly no idea what exactly but I am sure the admemes have a great list of torture devices
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Science (General): Make sure Science actually for once follows SoP (Good luck with that)
Toxins: Make sure all tests are announced and the bombs are assembled in the most secure manner so no one else can tamper with it.
Chemical Research: Make sure bombs do not actually leave the department unless requested or needed
Xenobiology: Do not let any type of creature leave unless requested.
Robotics: Make sure they built mechs with confirmation of the relevant department and all have a GPS tracker. Especially no combat mechs until requested
Security: Check all batons for blood traces / evidence of harm batoning and if they are fully charged (Could use detective Scanner)
Brig: Remove all light blubs as they are frequently used to break out / harm yourself . Alternatively check if all non-perma prisoners have injuries , wonder why there is blood everywhere.
Medbay : Have them prepare for ALL kinds medical emergencies (including making smaller medicine such as antihol).
Surgery : Make sure proper anesthetics or other methods are ALWAYS used , even for vox-kins . Just going to sleep is not acceptable .
HoP: Let job transfers do basic paperwork showing they have basic competence in the field they want work with .
QM: Do basic paperwork for every item handed out . Make sure no dangerous objects are given to Crew .
Janitors : Impose an additional rule like that they cannot clean a whole floor area at once and must always leave one "lane" open for people to run by while they are cleaning
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Terror Spider Update Thoughts
in Public Archives
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I have not played a lot of terrors myself but just a few thoughts:
Gray: Give them something like the assassin holopara ability -> 1 hit is extremely strong and targets a random limb. They become very hard to spot as you suggested. Weaken their general attack. This gives them more of a finisher/support role and not a combat role. They should try and target armed crew members and cripple them for other spiders to finish off or chase down high value targets with a deadly finishing attack.
White: Remove the ability to infect slimes, depending on how much work xenobiology did and how fast people weld it up it just is a silly amount of spiders that spawn from there. I think monkey are fine especially as the only ones that tend to stay alive are the ones in virology. No comment on what they can spawn.
Mother: Remove the suicide-attack and make them into a heal/supporter. Maybe give them the ability to revive a spider every minute or so. This would make butchering spiders more relevant as well.
I have not really played the other ones so I do not have any comments on them.