katierussland
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That was amazing. That whole text wall was amazing. It's been a long time since I've read something at or near this level of quality. I'd been holding off on checking on this thread as I'd expected nothing more than a continuation of the hostility and insults I'd received before, but to find this absolute jewel instead... it's wonderful.
QuoteIf we're going to play thesaurus tag, I'll be glad to needlessly extend the variety of my diction in order to provide the illusion I'm both knowledgeable and more professional than my crimson-hued colleague.
I find the insinuation that less common terms are only used to create illusions of superiority to be quite preposterous.
Knowing neither of you personally, I can't speak to how knowledgeable you are, but based on these past interactions, including those in this very thread, it is no illusion that you are more professional than your colleague.
On 7/19/2021 at 5:49 PM, Dumbdumn5 said:nearly every other menu in the game similarly presents itself as a pop-up menu
While this may be the case, most other windows in the game, with the notable exception of the character customisation one, do not take up such a large portion of the screen. Further, these windows are created as the direct result of the player clicking on something, which is not the case in the situation being evaluated.
Quoteapproaching the complaint with humility and anticipating a potential misunderstanding while also firmly stating your displeasure at your treatment would have provided to the environment of our communication back to you in a far more positive fashion in comparison to the more aggressive statement you had approached with
I resent your insinuation. My original complaint was nothing if not professional, necaladun's hostility was unwarranted entirely.
QuoteGiven that our handbook for newly arrived administrators-in-training specifically dictates the approach taken by Mr.Meow, I regret to inform you that such an action is similarly incomparable to incompetence or misconduct of any form or fashion, and is in fact aligned with the basest standard practices and procedures of this staff body.
Being now equipped with this knowledge that he had been expected carry out this maneuver, as opposed to my previous (as of the original complaint, after inferring it was not a software error) assumption that he was just being lazy or anti-social (hitting a button instead of writing a new message stating he was expecting a reply), I can understand why Meow19 would treat this as normal and not understand my frustration with his handling of the situation.
QuoteGiven your recent arrival to this software and its particularities, you as an individual could have formatted your original complaint in a fashion that accentuates your inexperience rather than one that suggests incompetence or malcontent from the administrator-in-training who was far more adept at the particularities held within this software in comparison to you yourself as an individual.
That would've been both dishonest and unnatural, given that it was my honest belief at the time, and up until such a point where your message clarified that the administrator handbook recommended this, that he acting out of malice, incompetence, indolence, or a combination of the three.
QuoteI will however reaffirm that your statements regarding attacking your character are falsehoods, as the administrative command pertaining to restraining individuals not only prevents the accruement of damage to a character from the restraint itself
While I have since been informed of this fact, my behaviour at the time was undoubtedly shaped by the mistaken understanding that he had in fact damaged my character, and not only that but also neglected to repair it after he was done conversing with me.
QuoteThis is often reserved for exceptional misconduct rather than the comparatively minor incident this particular complaint's predecessor was based upon. As such, your accusations of misconduct are an inappropriate designation for this administrator-in-training's behavior.
Omitting his liberal usage of permanent bans, I would be tempted to agree, though I'd still forward feedback that he ought to respond in a less hostile fashion to a player closing a window rather than acting as though it is a personal attack on him (he openly called it "ignoring him"), and improve his spelling. Curiously, much of what you said about my attitude in my complaint(s) could also be said about his handling of the situation.
Not omitting it, however, the designation of "abuse" seems more than adequate.
Quoteafter understanding that such measures [pop-up windows] were taken in an attempt to elicit a reply from your individual personage
That did not happen until after, while I was filing my original complaint, and as such could not have modified the way in which I replied to his messages.
Quoteyou could have simply mentioned that you had seen the message prior
As it stands, I did mention it. One of the first things I said was "I saw your message", which you can confirm, should you wish to, in your logs, and should you not have access to them for any reason, I can provide you with mine, as I transcribed the entire chat into a text file should it later be needed as evidence or for reference.
QuoteHowever, it was intended as an uncouth mirroring of your diction
Were he to "mirror my diction", he would've replied in a professional manner, which is not what happened. Necaladun flagrantly and openly insulted me, and on more than one occasion. This was mentioned in this complaint as "misconduct (minor)", as it had only taken place once as of me writing that complaint, but was elevated to a higher degree and repeated in replies to this very complaint, and would by now have a much more central role.
QuoteNecaladun is not able to manage this complaint solely by his own terms, and as such, must rely on one of the other head administrators to pass judgement.
I am aware of this, as noted in the second attachment to this complaint. This fact does not preclude that necaladun could've published a response not including insults and other inadequate behaviour.
QuoteComplaints made with the intention of vengeance rather than for the sake of the server's improvement are rarely meritous
As the kids have taken to saying recently, "why not both? "
"Vengeance" does not appear out of nowhere, but rather it follows a slight or perceived slight, as you know. In the case of the former, several possible resolutions could simultaneously resolve it and improve the server.
QuoteHowever, if I were to state that walking down the street as a perfectly functioning and healthy male individual of young age was much like being gutted and filleted by early barbarians of yore (...), I would be making a gross and provably false exaggeration (...) especially when compared to the common experience of such a task.
Alas, this is precisely what you state I have made: a false analogy. Whereas walking down the street includes no attack on your person, being frozen and banned does constitute an attack on me, even if it is to a much lesser degree than being robbed. A comparison between two events of the same class but of varying degrees is not inherently illegitimate. I believe you'd agree, for example, comparing an unarmed fight between two men to a battle, or comparing a group of 20 men to an army, while clearly these are not equal, may constitute a valid analogy.
While your reply has given me a new perspective regarding Meow19's actions, necaladun's handling of the situation remains grossly inadequate. Not only did he not give my complaint proper consideration, brushing my concerns off as insignificant, not only did he reply in an unprofessional manner, not only did he make a mockery of the entire complaints process in this thread, he insulted me several times, all examples of his misconduct. A proper handling of the situation was evidently possible, as your own exemplary reply demonstrates.
Speaking of your exemplary reply, reading it was very enjoyable. I hope it was also enjoyable for you to write it, and that it wasn't excessively laborious.
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You aren't the victim of a rape or mugging
Nor did I ever say I was. Are you familiar with the concept of an analogy? High time you were.
44 minutes ago, necaladun said:@Kyet @Dumbdumn5 feel free to just close this with some variation of 'comparing getting frozen in an ss13 to a victim of sexual assault is not worthy of any response'.
Not only do you reply in an extremely unprofessional manner, including but not limited to insults, you then invite your fellow Heads of Staff to do so, but please, do tell me all about how you're unbiased and fair and about how I'm wrong in every single way.
The fact that you have a formal complaints process is admirable, more so in that you can file complaints against head admins, but it means nothing if you don't take it seriously and give this kind of response.
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30 minutes ago, necaladun said:
You're behaving much like a 'Karen' and generally being incredibly whiny and petulant
34 minutes ago, necaladun said:If this is the kind of thing that gets you angry, then grow up.
More insults. How professional of you, it really shows you're unbiased and fair.
31 minutes ago, necaladun said:You're exactly the kind of player I don't want on this server
That's fine. I have no intention of coming back to more of this abuse, especially after you've condoned it. I'd just like the one I already experienced sorted out.
32 minutes ago, necaladun said:Admin-freezing does no damage.
I specifically remember it not being at 100%. I'll acknowledge that maybe it wasn't him and my assumption that it was may have been false, you'd know what commands here do better than I would.
35 minutes ago, necaladun said:You (...) have managed to get yourself banned.
Blame the victim. Was what I was wearing too revealing, by the way?
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Admin(s) Key: necaladun, Meow19
Your ckey (Byond username): Ekaterina von Russland
Your Discord name (if applicable): Not applicableDate(s) of incident (GMT preferred): 5h00 London time
Nature of complaint: feedback, other (improper resolution of complaint), misconduct (minor)
Prior complaint in question:
Links to all relevant ban appeals for any bans related to this complaint: Not applicable
Brief description:
Unsatisfactory resolution of complaint. Opening a window that people close with no second thought is not a substitute for asking for what you want.
Full description of events:
During the resolution of the above complaint, necalodun falsely takes as a premise that opening a pop-up window is the same as asking for a reply, falsely takes as a premise that players do not instantly close pop-up windows blocking their view of the screen, and insults me ("petulant"). Naturally, having taken false premises as true, a wrong conclusion is reached. Even if you disagree with my full assessment regarding Meow19, it seems clear that he is at least partially at fault.Addressing the response to my complaint:
QuoteIf you think having a window forced open so you can respond to a warning is abuse
Having a window that covers half my screen forced open, which I closed without a second thought (and a few minutes of browsing your forums show I am not the only one with this issue (see below)), then acting like it was supposed to be the same as asking for a reply, if not abuse, is at least misconduct.
Also this seems to imply that I need the window open to reply, which I don't. The message also shows up in the chat, where it does in every other server, and where I expect messages to show up, not in a pop-up window that's particular to this server, to which, as I stated, I was new, and logically unaccustomed to its particularities.
QuoteYou were frozen until a reply showing you'd acknowledged the warning was given.
I was frozen before he even asked for a reply. Instead of simply sending me a PM saying something to the effect of "Did you see my message?" or "Did you understand?", he made windows appear covering half my screen, with no indicator that was caused by a human and not a software error, somehow expected me not to instantly close them, attacked my character and only after all that did he bother to ask for a reply.
QuoteNo harm was done here
"No harm" except damaging my character right as the other miners and I were preparing for a fight, because who needs health in a fight? I was understandably pissed.
Quoteact as if you're some victim of 'abuse' here
What do you call freezing someone with no prior explanation if not "abuse"?
QuoteInstead of reply say, "No problem, I'll reply in future.". You instead chose to reply
I did. I was angry. Would you not be after you had been attacked seemingly for no reason only THEN for the admin to say what he wants? Imagine if someone was robbing you and first beat you up and only AFTER told you he wanted your money, how would you feel?
QuoteClearly 'reply to the message' never occurred to you
Correct, because instead of clearly telling me he wanted a reply, he proceeded to give unclear signals (read: make windows appear) (which, as stated, at the time I didn't even realise were done on purpose but thought were just the game being buggy, as I expect any new player accustomed to old buggy software would).
Attachments:
1: Supplementing the above claim, proof that "I am not the only one [who instantly closes pop-up windows]":
QuoteAs for a giant square taking up my screen, I probably did click it down without a second thought upon reflection, given I've never seen anything ever like that in my life of playing SS13.
2: Supplementing reasoning for filing this complaint:
QuoteIf you have issue with how the complaint was handled submit a new one, against the Head of Staff, explaining why you feel the situation wasn't resolved and the other two Heads of Staff will review it.
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Admin(s) Key: Meow19
Your ckey (Byond username): Ekaterina von Russland
Your Discord name (if applicable): Not applicable
Date(s) of incident (GMT preferred): Approximately 19h20 London time
Round ID 27767Nature of complaint: Abuse of powers
Links to all relevant ban appeals for any bans related to this complaint: No ban appeal
Brief description: Trial Admin Meow19 went on a power trip, was rude to me and banned me
Full description of events: This was my first shift on this server (barring catching the last 10 min of the previous one), which I was trying out. As I was going about my business, I said "lol" forgetting it wasn't allowed, and got a PM from this trial admin, rightfully informing me that I wasn't allowed to use said expression. Nothing wrong so far. I read the message and moved on.He then proceeded to make annoying windows pop up on my screen not once, not twice but THREE TIMES even after I closed them (which I, at the time, attributed to a software error, but now realise was likely done by him), and, not satisfied with annoying me like this, he proceeded to freeze and damage my character. I had no idea why I was being targeted like this, I hadn't offended anyone.
After all this, he sent me a message mocking me saying "i suggest we talk". I asked what it is he wanted to talk about, and informed him I would be filing a staff report for his admin abuse (which, as you can see, I am doing).
He then stated that he was expecting a reply. I asked him why he was so overzealous, and informed him it was a slip-up.He then proceeded to threaten me with a "ban without warning", and mocked me again saying "its pretty hard to get banned on paradise".
Lastly, he said "If something appears on your screen 3 times and its a text message, the most logical thing to do would be answering it, don't you think?" In reality, if the same thing appears on my thing 3 times, especially software which I haven't used before, I just assume it's a bug, as I think anyone else would.
As he asked me what I think, I replied "No, I don't. The message just said something wasn't allowed. I acknowledged it and moved on.", later adding "If it were a question, then answering would be important, but it wasn't", both of which are true.
He did not reply any further. I assumed that was the end of it, and either he'd now agreed that replying non-questions is not always necessary or was going making a point about how I was expecting a reply (which I wasn't: as I stated, I assumed that was the end of it)
I resumed playing as normal, and, out of nowhere, I got the message that I had been banned, yet more evidence of his abuse. I have no idea why he chose to target me for his power trip, maybe he figured since it was my first time on the server I wouldn't bother to file a complaint, but here I am.As for a ban appeal, I have no intention of coming back after such a horrible first time experience (thanks to him) and therefore have not made one.
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Complaint against necalodun's resolution of prior complaint
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Do forgive the significant time interval between your reply and this response, I've been especially busy these past two weeks and I hope it's not too bothersome.
The intention inherent in bringing up this fact was not to imply that substantial change was needed, but rather to provide insight that would lead to understanding the underlying facts that lead to this situation.
That is not and has never been a valid argument. The fact that [generic bad people] do something does not ipso facto mean anyone who does said thing belongs to such a group. [Generic bad people] also breathe and they also read, this does not make the act of breathing or that of reading inherently evil, as I'm sure you're aware.
I may have misunderstood, but this seems to have been said with the intention of defending him, where in reality this is only further incrimination. As you just said, without just cause, he made baseless assumptions about my intentions and acted as though I'd filed my complaint in bad faith with no legitimate justification to do so, only prejudice.
I find this term to be insufficient in relation to any adequate description of necaladun's behaviour - an understatement.
This is not correct, though I understand why my message seemed to imply it. As I said, I am no longer certain that he acted out of malice, but this does not mean I am certain he did not. I acknowledge other possible causes for his behaviour, including but not limited to inexperience, but this is a fact that has yet to be ascertained.
Evidently, as I'm sure you'll agree, quality of one's speech (written or spoken) declines alongside a reduction in time available to prepare. A chat conversation, which requires an immediate response, will have a lesser quality than one in a forum, where an individual has as much time as he may require to write a reply, as made evident by your own statement that you expended over an hour to write your reply. This is also observable in Meow19's own messages, which lack even capitalisation of the pronoun "I", which is not the case in his forum posts.
While correct, this statement seems to imply that there is nothing else than can be done other than his removal, whereas in reality he can (and should) be reprimanded and given feedback, such that his future dealings with other players will be less likely to result in misunderstanding.
This statement assumes adequate behaviour by Meow19, which is an assumption that cannot be made. Instead of simply accepting I'd seen his message, he said "your usage of netspeak, i need you to confirm that you wont use it in the future" (as though it were even possible for an individual to confirm that no accidents would take place without being dishonest - if they were intentional, by definition, they wouldn't be accidents). It was my impression that his intention was to try to humiliate me (and, reading this message, it still seems to be, although I'm not 100% certain now as I was at the time). Attempting to humiliate random players (read: a power trip) is grossly inadequate conduct from an administrator or moderator, and I'd like you to investigate this and determine whether this was in fact his intention.