[Admin Complaint against: Coolrune206]

About what I expected. You ignored the core issue of the situation which was coolrune effectively creating the entire problem via adminbus to instead fixate on an immaterial sop breach (which was not the Bwoink reason)of me forgetting to ask a prisoner last words in a pretty chaotic custom execution I tried to entertain. 
 

I reiterate for the final time no rules were breached, the situation was completely under control and easily handled IC. Why did the magistrate not confront me IC? Why was the HoS not informed? Why was the captain not informed? I was not even aware the magistrate had a problem with it until Coolrune chose to adminbus the round and force him to “investigate”. Comms were loud and I did not see the magistrates initial concerns. 
 

It was a completely absurd and unnecessary admin intervention for something that the majority of the playerbase enjoys and leads to more interesting rounds. Very very disappointing take from you regarding this. It was an incredibly “rules lawyery” Bwoink and left a terrible taste in my mouth. No attempt was made to resolve these wholly IC issues IC. Instead Coolrune chose to adminbus the round to set me up for a Bwoink. Frankly I think it’s because Coolrune despises me personally, as I think I remember him badmouthing me in the past before he was an admin although admittedly my memory is hazy on it. 

Can’t debate it any further as you will not engage with the actual problem. I will be denying custom execution requests from now on and refuse to engage with them as it is not worth the risk of further admin bias, that is the clear solution here. Admins want more RP from security then pull a stunt like this. Very interesting. Either way the precedent is further solidified that it is  not worth doing anything out of the norm as security, it’s not worth the risk. I’ll leave the funny security shenanigans to the admin favorites. 

If this had been literally anyone else on the server it would not have been a Bwoink, but it was me so it was. I think that’s pretty clear to anyone who knows what’s up.

Not sure why it’s so hard to say “wow TheBadPerson, you made a lot of good points, and this was a clearly controversial admin call, so as a sign of good faith we will remove/highly lessen the note”. The fact you fight so hard against that says volumes. Say what you will about me, I give EVERYONE credit where it’s due, even people who drive me nuts. Consider the complaint resolved, I’ve heard enough. 

[Admin Complaint against: Coolrune206]

1. I do not like that Coolrune used a CC message to effectively adminbus the round for what he deemed to be a LRP execution (despite similar/identical executions being done literally 100s of times prior with zero issue). This opened the entire situation to serious bias and was a big part of the confusion in general. Pre CC message, everything was fine and proceeded without issue. Post CC message the magi essentially acted solely on the behalf of coolrune to take issue with the execution. I don't think that's an acceptable instance of admin interference in the round, as no rules nor sop was seriously violated, the round was made objectively worse are a result, and the reasoning for the admin interference made no sense in general.

Coolrune effectively created the entire premise and issue for the bwoink himself by needlessly interfering in the round. That is not acceptable, its completely susceptible to bias, and you have not addressed that in this complaint.

 

2. Your reasoning for the guillotine execution breaking sop is at least half incorrect. The guillotine was removed almost immediately after the execution and cannot be reasonably considered a public hazard in the way you nor coolrune describe. 2nd, I no longer remember the round, but I am fairly certain I either asked for last words and was ignored pre execution or during, and even if I hadn't, thats a pretty ridiculous reason for an ARREST warrant to be made. A demotion warrant sure. An arrest warrant is ridiculous for such a thing. That is a large part of why I demanded the magistrate cease and desist in game.

I had not broken space law, the arrest warrant WAS illegal. 

 

3. The wiki very clearly SUGGESTS you ahelp when dealing with an out-of-control member of command such as the magistrate. It does not REQUIRE such an action. Is it a bit rules lawyery? Yes. However I had a severe note placed on my account with the bwoinking admin suggesting they narrowly decided against placing a ban over it. That is unacceptable for such a mild IC dispute over what I thought to be a magistrate ignoring sop/space law. Furthermore it is also explicitly not a rule break in any easily definable way that I can see. The issue was not heated, and fully under control. The magistrate issued an arrest warrant despite me having broken no laws. That is a viable IC reason to temporarily detain a magistrate that refuses to discuss the issue. 

At what point would you allow security to detain a magistrate without an ahelp (assuming no blatant law breaches, don't use that as a cop-out answer)? I think it's a theoretical question that you need to either answer, re-write the wiki about, or come up with an answer. What if a magistrate decides to set half of security to arrest for using lethals on green to stop a murderboning changeling before blue alert can be raised, and this creates a small civil war within sec as some side with the magi and some don't? That is not illegal or against sop, but would still be massively detrimental to the round if a magi chose to do it. How much OOC immunity do magistrate players get to have?

 

4. As for tone of the PMs, your admins set the tone. I have played this server for 1800+ hours at this point, and have been bwoinked for various things countless times. I have gotten good initial attitude from admins twice ever, and both of those admins are now retired. I have had to remind admins MULTIPLE times of basic in game mechanics, space law, and to do basic and routine log checks multiple times after they came in aggressive and under the assumption that a player with a now embarrassing amount of hours in this game acted intentionally malicious. I have no say, and no power on this server, and I rely on the admins buddies to hold him/her accountable. So when I have an admin openly and aggressively accuse me of something I didn't do (belligerent mutiny and self-antag), and completely ignore every single thing I say WHILE having ENORMOUS bias within the round on top of that, I am not going to be pleased and I will be forced to defend myself aggressively on top of being extremely angry about it. 

YOU are the ones in power, YOU set the tone. Would I have still been happy about being bwoinked that round even if Coolrune had not been instantly belligerent and aggressive? No. But I can tell you it would've been MUCH smoother and professional if he'd bothered to listen to a word I said and made any effort to understand why I was doing what I was doing. 

[Admin Complaint against: Coolrune206]

There are a few final things I want clarified, I will try to post later today if possible, extremely busy right now. I will keep it as brief as possible. 

[Guide to Contributing Images]

I really really like this guide 

[Admin Complaint against: Coolrune206]

Adding a summary detail since in predictable fashion, Coolrune decided to obfuscate once again instead of consider for one second he might be wrong about something for once in his life. (Which he absolutely is, terrible attitude btw, you’re soooo desperate to ensure you get a note on my account lol. I wouldn’t act like you do in a million years over something so petty and mundane)

 

This will be rough detail since I don’t have exact logs to post at will in an attempt to contradict stuff like I know you are want to do. (Real fair and transparent system btw, you can add and hide context at will)

 

I was asked to do a guillotine execution. We had the time to do it so I obliged since people tend to enjoy that stuff. I believe I announced over comms my intention to do it multiple times, the magistrate set the execution status and had full knowledge of the situation, and at no point attempted to stop it. Then RETROACTIVELY after the execution took place almost a half hour later at round end do they suddenly decide they changed their mind and set an arrest warrant. 
 

No. You do not get to do that as a magistrate without IC consequences. I carried out an execution FROM THE MAGISTRATE, who then retroactively decided they didn’t like it DESPITE HAVING FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE EVENT DETAILS AND MAKING NO EFFORT TO STOP IT. I REPEATEDLY made public announcements of an impending guillotine execution at bridge, the magi did not say a word about it a single time. So yes I absolutely warned and then detained the magistrate for acting in a belligerent and illegal manner.

 

The entire thing was wholly an in character issue, and Coolrunes involvement in it was both wildly unnecessary, and unacceptable. Had he stayed out of it, we would’ve come to an agreement of how to handle the entire thing in character in processing. It did not by any stretch of the imagination “go too far”. 
 

Added that bit of context to further highlight how outrageous this Bwoink truly was, as I don’t think that context was properly laid out previously. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Admin Complaint against: Coolrune206]

"The problem begins when the Warden actively refuses this, declares their intent to arrest the Magistrate (for falsely enforcing space-law, which isn't even something you can arrest someone for). Then they later do actually detain the Magi and refuse instruction from the HoS. At this point is when I begin messaging you, because it's clearly gone too far."

and then

"Executions can be done only by electric chair, lethal injection, firing squad, gas inhalation or asphyxiation. Other means of Execution are illegal, constituting a charge of 5-02 - Murder, unless a prisoner explicitly requests them."

So you wholly and with full knowledge admit that you are ignoring the stated procedure for executions, that the entire server adheres to both on a rules basis and cultural basis, to implement your personal opinion on the matter. Gotcha. Glad we cleared that up. Now lets drill down, and assess what you actually did. 

 

"While Magistrate players are as fallible as anyone, they are also expected to be very knowledgeable on Space Law, and they are given the full final say on it for station affairs. If a Magistrate is deliberately misapplying Space Law, it's a good idea to ahelp it instead of going rogue and mutinying against legal orders."

With this statement you are saying that magistrate players are effectively above the law without reproach, and cannot be detained even for blatant crimes like murder as it would be considered mutiny. That is literally what you are enforcing with that opinion. You quite literally JUST STATED " Executions can be done only by electric chair, lethal injection, firing squad, gas inhalation or asphyxiation. Other means of Execution are illegal, constituting a charge of 5-02 - Murder, unless a prisoner explicitly requests them." Therefore, the magi was completely in the wrong for the original warrant, and was acting outside their role. 

FURTHERMORE, you attempt to make the claim that making a goofy guillotine is the same as spacing a hallway of oxygen to make your ridiculous point. They are not remotely the same. The guillotine requires EXTREME desire by a player to be killed by. It is not remotely a crew hazard worth BWOINKING SOMONE OVER in the context of a literal requested execution. Your point is completely invalid, and is a personal opinion not shared by most of the server. Temporary guillotines have been used many times on server with zero issue or admin intervention. Point further invalidated. EVEN WORSE is the guillotine was almost immediately dismantled after use, so your entire basis for the argument is just a lie. Nice try. 

Now lets take it even further.  There was not a mutiny. You can try to twist it all you'd like, it was not a mutiny. I saw a magistrate setting an unjust and illegal warrant, attempted to correct them, they refused, so I detained them. That is not a mutiny. That is arresting an out of control magistrate. 

As for the "nip at the HoS", I've seen "server favorite" mentors tell me to kill myself and play it off IC, and tell other people in no uncertain terms they're shitty people and should leave the server, so I think the HoS will be ok. Do not even pretend that is a factor in this bwoink. I expressed very valid and extremely mild IC annoyance at their lack of communication and leap to violence over mediation. 

 

We've cleared up how you ignored the facts of the situation, and admitted to doing so, so now lets look at the bigger picture because that's what honestly matters more anyways. 

I bust my ass to try and make this game fun for others. You can tell whatever comfortable thing to yourself you want, the majority of people do not bother. I saw a caught vampire and took 10 - 15 fucking minutes out of my round to go through the pain in the ass process of dealing with a busy brig while also getting the crap together for a public guillotine just so he and the crew can have a bit of fun. Do you ACTUALLY for one second think I REALLY WANTED to do that? No I didn't, but I did it anyways cuz I knew other people would get a kick out of it.

So imagine my surprise when I get a snotty bwoink from you over a totally valid, tame, and IC reaction to the magi wordlessly setting a warrant on me about it? Did you for one second even consider that context? Bet you didn't. I will not be helping with any sort of gimmick in the future, it is too high risk for a bwoink from an admin like you. Message received, do not do anything. Gotcha. 

The guillotine was fun, people liked it. The magi got detained in brig for a very valid IC reason and I was about to call the hos to mediate. That was it. That is what YOU caused all this fuss over. A guy wanted to die in a guillotine, and the magi got detained in a legal mixup. That is now bwoink worthy apparently. 

Ultimately, I am disappointed and also not surprised at all after repeat dealings with paradise admins. You came into the ahelp combative, belligerent, without any clear intent, and in bad faith. You had ZERO intention of figuring out what happened, you just wanted to justify a reason for a note on my account for who knows what reason. The issue is EXTREMELY gray, and you lied and used bad faith arguments in an attempt to make it seem clear cut. 

 

Hopefully this complaint highlights once again the extreme attitude problem of many paradise admins. I have clearly demonstrated coolrune to be arguing in bad faith, and with zero intention of coming to a positive resolution. You are more than welcome to ignore it, and I fully assume you will. Every single person on this server knows exactly what I am talking about whether they will admit it privately or not. It's shameful behavior, and if I were in coolrune's shoes I'd be embarrassed to hell and back. 

This is supposed to be a fun game, these are supposed to be your buds. How are you this nasty about a funny guillotine and an argument with a magistrate? Really take a step back and ask yourself that. 

 

 

 

[Admin Complaint against: Coolrune206]

Admin(s) Key: Coolrune206
Your ckey (Byond username): TheBadPerson
Your Discord name (if applicable): TheBadPerson

Date(s) of incident (GMT preferred): 3/15/2024

ROUND ID: 39560

Nature of complaint:

Select all that apply: EG - clarification required, misapplication of rules, misconduct, 

Links to all relevant ban appeals for any bans related to this complaint: N/A - note applied incorrectly due to egregious misapplication of rules and complete lack of judgment. 

Brief description (tl;dr here. Just the critical elements): I was playing warden, and had a vampire request an execution by guillotine. I really try to entertain custom requests from prisoners to make their rounds more fun, and he requested it at bridge so I went about working to make said guillotine. The execution was enacted with permission by the magistrate. CC issued a chastisement about it, and at shift end the magi issued an arrest warrant for me. I warned them they were in violation of sop and space law, and to remove the warrant. They ignored me. I arrested them, then the Hos sided with the magi and arrested me.

This is an extremely normal custom execution, and similar executions have been carried out quite literally hundreds of times without admin intervention, probably even by coolrune himself whether he will lie or admit it. Every single honest player on paradise will attest to that.

I want the note removed from my account immediately, and I want coolrune either removed from an admin position or given an official warning for overstepping. Screenshotted logs will be posted to encourage honesty. Furthermore, I want sop/law FULLY clarified on this issue so coolrune cannot use it in the future to choose at random to flex his administrative privileges on people he does not like. 

Full description of events: A vampire prisoner was caught and brought to my brig while I was playing warden. The prisoner requested execution, so naturally I try to talk them out of it but they insisted. I ask for the method. They request a public execution by guillotine near bridge. Now I want to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR: I HAVE HEARD ADMINS SPECIFICALLY SAY that custom executions can be entertained by security within reason. Every single player on paradise if they are bring truthful knows this. This has NEVER been an issue. I cannot find this clause in sop or law, but it is FULLY engrained in the server culture and I have NEVER seen it be an issue. To say otherwise is being fully and knowingly dishonest.

The execution is carried out, I say a few words to honor the dead vampire, and take them to medbay to be put in the DNR morgue. a few minutes later CC issues a message chastising the execution, which I assume was also sent by Coolrune in an attempt to adminbus his opinion of the situation. ( I want a logdive on if the CC message was sent by Coolrune or his friend Gatchapod to see if this is indeed the case, and I want logs posted as proof of honesty). 

The round comes to a close and I suddenly have a warrant for my arrest for the lawful execution I carried out. I am extremely busy with 2 vampires in perma and more temp prisoners in the cells, so naturally I am confused. I read the details and see the Magi has set the warrant. I explain to them the execution was lawfully carried out in accordance with the prisoners wishes. They do not care. I issue a final warning to remove the warrant or I will be forced to arrest the magi for violation of space law. They refuse. I find the magi in brig and stun and cuff them and bring them to processing where I set them with a warrant for violating space law. 

The HOS, captain, and blueshield come in and stun me and arrest me, and I'm taken to the shuttle at rounds close.

So in summation so that coolrune cannot obfuscate the situation, and we are as honest as possible about what ACTUALLY happened: I tried to entertain a caught antag's execution gimmick to make their round more fun, and get a bit of RP for everyone. We succeed, people enjoy it, the antag gets what they want, round continues on as normal. Coolrune takes massive issue to this and here we are. 

 

The Bwoink, How Coolrune Admits he is Wrong, and Applies a Note Anyways out of Anger: 

Follow very carefully and notice how coolrune swaps his argument as I catch him in contradictions because he knows he's been caught. The reason for the bwoink changes 3 times until coolrune decides on a final and erroneous reason. It proves he had no grounds for the bwoink, and was making it all up as he went along. 

Sadly i do not have the initial bwoink screenshot, but I encourage any headmin to post it as it simply furthers my claim. The initial bwoink reason was for "going rogue" as security. I explain that me and the magi had a very viable and IC dispute over space law in which I was VERY MUCH valid in disputing the magis warrant. I was acting in accordance with known execution sop, the magi was operating under command of the possibly adminbussed CC command by coolrune himself. I quite frankly assumed it was even an admin event because it was such a ridiculous warrant. 

Naturally I explain the nature of the law disagreement, and why the conflict was natural and IC. Arresting magistrates while extremely rare, is absolutely valid if they are in breach of space law. The magi was very clearly from my perspective issuing false warrants and was warned to stop, refused, and was arrested. The only reason the magi issued said warrant is LIKELY from adminbus from coolrune. Even if it wasn't, it was still extremely questionable to the point of arrest.

Because of the facts above, coolrune realizes he's been caught and quickly pivots to another irrelevant point of the bwoink to try to distract from the fact he's been caught in a contradiction. It's an extremely common tactic, I even commend him for using it. Sadly for him I've seen it a million times, so it doesn't quite work. He tries to make the point that I was overly rude to the HoS for chastising them for siding with the errant magistrate instead of talking it out by calling them "new". I don't know about you, but that hardly constitutes being nasty in my eyes, and was valid criticism for a hos I have quite literally never seen before that chose to attack with baton and disabler in a completely stable and non-combative processing instead of "using words and RP" which apparently the admins support and yet don't support at the same time now? Interesting contradiction. 

Coolrune quickly realizes its a weak point so he scrambles to try and figure out why he bwoinked me in the first place. I have to continuously prod him for an answer as he stalls for time until finally he decides it's because the entire thing was valid since a guillotine construes a crew hazard and was therefore inappropriate in the first place DESPITE ADMITTING EARLIER IN THE BWOINK THAT PRISONERS CAN REQUEST CUSTOM EXECUTIONS. So in legendary fashion, he contradicts his entire bwoink and hinges it on the fact that IN HIS PERSONAL OPINION a device which requires that a player place themselves or be placed in it, sit still for several seconds until ANOTHER player activates it, construes such a crew hazard that it is equivalent to an emagged recycler (his actual words see the screenshot), and is therefore in and of itself grounds for a bwoink. 

 

To summarize: 

I carried out a fully lawful custom execution.

A completely tame and IC dispute between myself and the magistrate over the legality of their warrant ensues due to the warrant quite literally being illegal, ending in their arrest where I detain him in brig. 

Coolrune bwoinks me initially over the "mutiny" despite it being categorically NOT a mutiny, it was me arresting an errant magistrate who was violating space law. Coolrune likely realizes this and rapidly changes the subject. 

Coolrune changes the subject to how I chastised the HoS for being "new" and how it was "elitist". This is about as tame an insult as there is. I have never seen that HoS player, and they made a choice to wordlessly shoot and baton a compliant warden in processing, so I made a snarky comment along the lines of "you must be new here". I don't know about you, but I don't think that's particularly hard hitting stuff.

Coolrune realizes this is a bogus point, and stalls for time. He then decides the REAL reason he bwoinked me was because the guillotine the prisoner requested was a crew hazard and unacceptable. I force Coolrune to admit that a guillotine requires active participation to die from which he does, and he somehow does not understand the contradiction of his argument(see attached screenshots).

I have personally used public guillotines and seen others use public guillotines for executions MANY TIMES without admin intervention. They are ABSOLUTELY NOT crew hazards warranting admin intervention, as they require TWO PEOPLE and participant WILLINGNESS to kill unless cuffed. To randomly decide all of a sudden that something that has been used quite literally hundreds of times without issue on the server is now bwoinkable is unacceptable, unfair, and quite frankly ridiculous.

Lastly, Coolrune despite having contradicted himself multiple times, and being unable to actually decide what he even bwoinked me for, decides he will levy an official warning on my account for controlling my emotions and not engaging in mutiny (there was not a mutiny). He then gets furious when I mention that we I will take the issue to an acomplaint and tries to possibly intimidate me? (you're not scary my dude, far from it lmao). He pipes up saying that my intent to make an acomplaint is a threat or something, I can't fully understand what he even meant as he was totally erratic at this point and he is not typing clearly anymore.(see attached screenshots)

Overall this was beyond unacceptable for an admin, it was completely in the wrong from both a server rules, and culture standpoint, and it was also just downright uncool and uncalled for. Totally ruined my night (not that any of you give a shit at all).

I am still waiting to hear what server rule I broke for having a 100% valid warden interaction, and IC dispute with a magistrate. I look forward to your prompt response. Screenshots attached to encourage honesty. I fully encourage a full post of the ahelp log, it will not help your case. 

 

 

 

 

[Atez, the Third Age]

I will never understand how you manage to be front and center for so much of this stuff lmfao

[Welcome Aboard Mr. Agent 47]

I was the red lizard that walked you to brig over the cargo trespass/fight lol. I figured you were a cling of some sort especially from the PDA messages but we had no hard proof. I would’ve stuck around but I got a call of 2 clings killing Ambrosine in engineering maint so that kinda took precedence. 
 

Nice gimmick, I didn’t realize it was you who started the rumble in brig until I read your Reddit post lol. 

[I would love to see the 'Obsessed' antagonist added to Paradise]

I’ve said before I like the obsessed objective. I don’t think it’s in depth enough for it to be an entire game mode with a bunch of obsessed running around, but I think it’s a really good potential antag objective, ESPECIALLY for traitor and cling to add some flavor to a round. 
 

There’s a lot you could do with it, and many ways you could implement it. Obviously it’s a WYCI type of thing, but I’d be all for it personally. 

 

As for the ERP risk, if obsessed is all it takes to get someone to delve into that territory, they were gonna go there eventually regardless of an antag objective IMO. 

[Give the Blueshield some form of Martial Art]

Bluey already gets a full on sec kit and lethal laser at round start, as well as a ton of access, oftentimes all access depending on captain. I think a martial art would be overkill, and encourage “redshield” behavior. 
 

As for CQC, my opinion would be a hard no. CQC is VERY strong situationally and would be massive overkill. It is an undroppable stamina based brawling machine of a martial art WITH A PARRY on top of round start sec kit. Way too much. The most I’d argue a bluey should get is a roundstart corp judo belt in the locker. 
 

I’ve really never felt underpowered as a blueshield, honestly quite the opposite. The most I’ve ever really felt the need to grab is a tele shield for confirmed violent eoc, or an IK30 for biohazards. 

[Make MODs have retractable helmets]

You can deploy parts of the suit manually to allow for a no-helmet look, but unfortunately you can only do so with the suit powered off, so you have to suffer a heavy movespeed debuff 

[I want YOU to read Lore!]

Do not worry, I will save the lore team. 

[Increase ashwalker den spawnrate]

I think the primary issue is they are a powerful threat that is currently designed to perma kill a very crucial role for the round that already has a high mortality rate as is. If combat with ashies didn’t basically guarantee getting sacrificed at their tendril for a perma kill, it would make sense to increase their spawn rate, if not guarantee it. 

[Increase ashwalker den spawnrate]

If ashie odds were increased they’d probably need a bit of a rework. Otherwise you’ll constantly get cases of roundstart ashies wiping and round removing mining, which then consequently screws over the rest of the station needing mats. 
 

Full disclosure I’ve been wiped by roundstart ashies and I kinda hatem. At the same time they’re also one of the most interesting things on lavaland and fun to play. 

[Spray bottle to autolathe]

Agreed. I want to carry a spray bottle as security to spray uppity Vulps/Taj with. 

[Need some insight on some Antag rolls]

1. As a round start cultist your NUMBER ONE priority is to get a source of plasteel. If you do not have plasteel you are fucked if things go wrong. In case you don't know, plasteel can be turned into runed metal via one of your spells, which is used to create forges, altars, and archives. These constructions give you access to the most powerful items available to cult. Good ways to source plasteel are to job swap to a job that has access to the ORM like engineering, supply, or RND. 

Once you have plasteel sourced you need a HIDDEN base you can use to start converting people. I STRONGLY advise making use of false walls in maintenace for this endeavor, otherwise you're gonna get found FAST. DO NOT EVER make runes in the open, as the second they are found security will start hunting you. Once you have a base you want the following items, and I consider them REQUIRED kit: A cult blindfold, unholy water, and a veil shifter. The blindfold gives you nightvision, medical HUD, and immunity to flashes. The water makes you almost entirely stun immune for awhile if you drink it all. The shifter teleports you a random distance forward, which is AMAZING for escapes AND ambushes.

Once that is ready, focus on mass conversion. Use your stun and knife to stun, remove their headset, cuff, take them. If people hear "Arsgrewvfcevqftt4" over comms you're made. Inevitably you will have to go loud. THE IMMEDIATE MOMENT you are found out, your focus needs to shift to slaughtering security, or at LEAST crippling them. IF you fail to do this, odds are they will escalate to match your power. 

Lastly: I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT YOU TAKE THINGS SLOWLY AS CULT! If your cult gets outed before you are prepared, you are almost always fucked. Solo cult comebacks do happen, but they are very rare, and they only occur if the last cultist is either unknown, or had plasteel/ a good hidden base. 

 

2.Don't focus on "winning" hijack. It's a rare roll and your one excuse to do almost anything you'd like. Do something fun or interesting that you can't normally do. If you truly want to greentext hijack, you MUST have an emag to set the shuttle to 10 second launch. I have never seen a successful hijack without an emag that didn't involve MULTIPLE robust antags teaming up. Your focus needs to be preventing access to the shuttle via breaking the airlocks, subverting the AI, or anything that prevents access to it as you emag it. A common greentext hijack strategy is to bolt and then emag the departures doors, permanently closing them, and make sure you are first in the cockpit to emag it. This can also be accomplished by subverting the AI and asking them to help you. A savvy engineering borg that you emag could also perform the same. The goal is to prevent anyone getting on the shuttle before you almost immediately emag the console to start the 10 second launch sequence. Naturally you should have a contingency weapon in case some people DO get on and try to rush the cockpit. 

 

3. Wizard is the rarest roll there is. There are people with 3k hours that have never rolled it. Because of that, I think it's wise to have at least some idea of a build concept in the event you roll it. Simply read over the wiki, and budget your 10 loadout points across things you think would be fun. You should also pretty much always teleport to medical storage first to try and raid for menders, as you WILL take damage. However, there are a few key spells that I think you should almost always have in a wizard build or strongly consider:

- Ethereal Jaunt is basically required. Being able to teleport out of danger is pretty much non-negotiable.

- Distortion makes a giant distortion field of nonsense and nobody can tell what the hell is going on, and usually cant move. This gives you a MASSIVE and length safety net that gives your other spells time to cooldown. Costs only 1 point!

- Force Wall makes a 3 tile wide impassable barrier based on what direction you face. Very very strong for getting people off of you in a chase, and costs only 1 point.

I've rolled wizard once, and my build was a spellblade(fire enchanted), summon item, sacred flame, ethereal jaunt, spacetime distortion, force wall, and magic missile. This build allowed me to deal MASSIVE area of effect flame attacks on people with the spellblade, re-ignite them with more flame stacks using sacred flame, stun them in melee with magic missile, and I had massive mobility with the combination of jaunt, distortion, and forcewall. I had a great time with it. That's an example of a coherent wizard build. 

["RP jobs" and content.]

1 minute ago, RangerYote said:

I thouroughly enjoy the RP roles because its a change of pace to the typical round.

I have written an entire novellete as the Librarian, and those of you who know will remember Mike from Psych :p

Even roles that seem to do nothing still add to a round, even if its existing as extra casualties when it all goes tits up. For example, me as the psychologist dealing with the Head of Security's burnout and trauma relating to combat stress.

Mike: "I assure you head of security, this is the safest station in space. Theres a reason they only hire the best"
The wizard in question, that just rodded through the room, narrowly missing us both: "Hi!"
HOS: "This is the kinda shit im talking about man."

This and other hillarious moments that simply would not happen in a high stakes role where no one gets some downtime to talk and process things. This brings me to my main point about RP roles:

RP roles offer downtime which is vital for the pacing of a round. If you view a round like a story, then visits to these RP Jobs represent a lull, which makes the sudden impact of say, a bomb, much more meaningful.

BRUH YOURE 2 MONTHS LATE

[Silicon Asset Record: CRUNCH]

A true R2D2, a borg WORTH FIGHTING FOR. o7

[Complaint Against Samman166 - Improper Application of Rules, and Feedback on Server as a Whole]

I have a job to do, I’m done stressing about this and I’m not gonna have a long back and forth. I’m gonna say my piece and be done. Uphold or reverse the banning admins call and close the complaint. This will be typed out quick on mobile. 
 

To Necs post, I have little to say. It’s a bad faith attempt to make me look bad. If I had a log full of every single thing the person I was debating with has said that I could control F keywords in, I bet it wouldn’t look so good on you either. As for the quotes you posted, yea I’m a seether.
 

I seethe. Always have. I also don’t act on what I say when I seethe. I am one of the most even handed active antag players and have a long repeat history of specifically reducing what I personally want to do to ensure sec and others have fun. Do I have any notes for murderboning security or powergaming? No I don’t. 
 

As for badmouthing sec, haven’t done it since the voucher ban months ago. But yea super relevant to the conversation. I go out of my way to help people and enable others fun on this server. The amount of players that can truly say the same is LOW. I know who’s who, I know who does what.

Not gonna have you destroy my reputation publicly because you copy pasted some of my highlight reels out of my logs. There is some actual content to Necs post and a lot of it is even true, but it’s completely overshadowed by personal attacks so I’m disregarding it. 

As for the actual post by Doc, all I’ll say is I think it was an overreach. Did I behave perfectly? Nope. But there are several things I want to point out so we can at least say we discussed this fully. 
 

First off: I don’t understand why we allow command to have Carte Blanche to effectively just do nothing. I think we give command way too much OOC protection from IC consequences. If command chooses to play the round by ignoring responsibilities, they should expect increasing IC consequences. People say vote them out! Fax CC! This never happens. I’ve never seen it in over 1500 hours. It’s too hard to pull off and people don’t want to risk a Bwoink dealing with it IC. The ONLY time a captain or HoS gets demoted is through direct admin intervention. 
 

Second: The ERT sent by the admin quite literally made the entire situation WORSE. They did not communicate, and empowered an effectively mute captain and HoS. They came in, demoted a bunch of random sec for questionable reasons, and made most of sec either cryo or commit suicide. I believe the ERT was played by an admin as well which was EXTREMELY questionable. 
 

Third: Yes cargo did self antag. They did. This is not a debate, I was there. The primary cargo tech player responsible for starting the massive fight quite literally self antagged me AGAIN the other day. I honked them with a clown honker in the hall a single time and they chased me shoving me. Later I honk them again and they PULL A SURVIVAL KNIFE and lose a fight to me with boxing gloves and banana juice. They then try to jump me with a knife AGAIN and nearly kill me(they were not an antag I checked). So yes, there is a pattern of self antagging in that cargo bay. 

Lastly: You say ahelp repeatedly, but why is the go to ALWAYS to twist the admins arms and call for a referee every time something out of the ordinary happens? Do you truly want me and others to throw ahelps every time something questionable happens? Why can we not just handle these things IC? Once again, this is why everyone just cryos. It’s not worth dealing with. Where’s the fun in forcing an admin to handle weird situations, it’s better to just cryo. 
 

I wasn’t peachy to deal with in cargo, or dealing with the HoS/ERT. That said, if they REPEATEDLY ignore me, attack me, and screw me over, at a certain point I think it’s fair I’m no longer theirs to command. This is why I still think it was an overreach. If they didn’t want their security officer to baton them, why didn’t they help a single time, and in fact make everything WORSE?!

 

This is a long complaint with an insane amount of details, that was just the last bit I wanted to elaborate on. It’s already hard to read as is. If you uphold the banning admins call I’m just going to adjust my playstyle to the meta of cryo-sec, as it’s clearly the meta for a reason. Maybe I’ll get more midround rolls that way.
 

I don’t agree with you (Doc), but I do appreciate you looking at this, as I imagine it was a pain in the ass to investigate. You weren’t hostile and you went over it in detail. That’s all I asked.  
 

[Complaint Against Samman166 - Improper Application of Rules, and Feedback on Server as a Whole]

Admin(s) Key: Samman166

Your ckey (Byond username): TheBadPerson

Your Discord name (if applicable): TheBadPerson

 

Date(s) of incident (GMT preferred): 9/23/2023 3:23:32

 

ROUND ID: Unknown

 

Nature of complaint: Misapplication of Rules, Misconduct, Feedback,

 

Links to all relevant ban appeals for any bans related to this complaint:

 JOB_PERMABAN: Security - REASON: As a non antagonist security officer attempted to set all of cargo to arrest for not helping them order guns. Stunned the HOS, and an ERT who tried to talk to them about it. In fairness the HOS was extremely incompetent and things were extremely chaotic. However the situation with cargo was better handled by ahelping and not trying to resolve it yourself by stunning and then attacking cargo members, aswell stunning the ERT who was infact there to solve the mess of the previous HOS and was trying to speak to you was uncalled for. I gave you chances to redeem yourself and work with the ERT and bring it back before you I took this straight to OOC punishment but you have dissapointed me on that. Tempers flare and people get angry however it is a game and cryo exists for a reason, if you aren't enjoying things and it's just frustrating or you are getting too heated use it., by samman166; 2023-09-23 03:23:32

 

Brief description:

This complaint will deal with two things; The incorrect application of rules and lack of judgment used by Samman, and the toxic culture this server has cultivated lately regarding security and antagonists. I played as security during a particularly stressful round and tried to escalate to save the situation, and was massively self-antagged by cargo. I tried to deal with this IC, and the events that proceeded IC’ly, and Samman decided that was “disappointing” and applied a security ban. They failed to properly understand the full situation, and therefore inappropriately applied a job ban.

As for this complaint, I want my security ban removed, I want the note removed off my account, and I want to bring attention to what I and MANY others (some privately, some publicly) consider to be a budding problem on the server.

 

Full description of events:

 

Part 1  - The Details and Job Ban

I was playing security officer on a particularly awful round. Security had been wiped by loud teaming traitors as is often the case. The Round-Start Captain, Head of Security, and Head of Personnel were completely silent and refusing to use communication (this is a relevant detail). Naturally I know my only option at this point is to significantly escalate by ordering rifles at cargo. I go to get cargo access from the HOP so myself and another officer can protect the bay while the guns arrive.

We order the guns and go to send the shuttle back so we can start the process. We can’t. There are some cargo techs inside the shuttle. I ask them to leave the shuttle. They refuse. I ask again. They refuse. I try to arrest them since at this point, they are preventing security from getting weapons in what was basically a code gamma situation (it was code red at the time, it raised to gamma soon after).

The cargo techs proceed to then self-antag, disarming and attacking me of either my gun or baton, I forget which. The entire cargo department gets involved so we are unable to order the guns. I return to brig to try and regroup and set the primarily responsible CTs to arrest for assault on an officer and aiding and abetting eoc, which was obviously a bit much, but the situation was ridiculous. KEEP IN MIND teaming traitors are rampaging the station as security is mostly wiped and cargo is busy self-antagging for no other reason than to OOC’ly make myself and other security players miserable.

We return AGAIN to cargo to try and get the guns since the new captain stepped in to try and force cargo to stop self-antagging and get the guns. We go to the bay. They start shoving me AGAIN. I try to arrest them again. They disarm another weapon so I fire off some shots since its 4 cargo techs vs myself. This is perfectly within the lethal response chart keep in mind.

We FINALLY get the guns and make a small team to respond to the traitors. At this point gamma is in place, and an ERT called. As we are moving out the Head of Security who has said nothing and done nothing the entire round calls me to the hop line to be demoted out of the blue. So after an HOUR of trying to save this ridiculous round, I am to be demoted for responding to cargo self antaggers. IC’ly I respond by batonning the HoS and moving to leave the station to lavaland. The ERT member stops me, who I at the time believed to be the HoS once more since the ID icons are the same. I non-lethally stun them, walk away, and continue trying to get into the cargo shuttle. They proceed to laser me to death as I stare at them in disbelief.

So to summarize:

I try to get guns, cargo refuses multiple times for no reason. I try to detain them off the shuttle and they self-antag and assault me and disarm me of weapons. They are justifiably set to arrest. I return. They attack again. It is 1 vs 4 and they continue to disarm, so I fire warning shots at them to get them off me, which is 100% valid within the lethals chart.

After all of this I am rewarded IC with an impending demotion by a HoS that had up to that point not existed, so my IC response to baton the HoS was completely justified. I try to leave the station. An ERT that I thought to be the HoS once more tries to stop me from leaving a station that IC’ly has betrayed me at every turn so I stun them and try to leave, and am killed immediately after.

Samman’s Response and my Rebuttal:

Samman bwoinks me for an explanation and I tell them what happened. They proceed to fail to explain any rule break I committed, and simply state they are “disappointed” in how I handled things. They fail to address the self-antagging in cargo, and completely ignore the IC justification for a very mild rebuke of the HoS in which I stunned them once, and completely ignored the fact that I didn’t even realize the ERT was not the HoS. And even if I had realized, at that point it was a perfectly IC response to gently rebuke the ERT to attempt to continue leaving the station that had at that point OOCly abused me the entire round.

So Samman effectively applied a job ban on me for setting warrants on a self-antagging cargo bay borderlining on mutiny, and having an INCREDIBLY mild IC rebuke of the HoS and ERT (they quite literally were both stunned once). Read the job ban message very carefully, and ask yourself where the rulebreaks or job ban-worthy misconduct is stated? Samman applied the ban because my IC response was not what they personally wanted in an incredibly complex and chaotic situation.

 

Part 2 – The Toxic Security vs Antagonist Culture

This entire situation brings to light a problem that I and many others have begun to notice develop over the past few months. The OOC attacks on security players, and the entitlement of antagonists is starting to get ridiculous, and it is in some cases being parroted by admins and mentors alike.

I have REPEATEDLY over the last few months seen numerous people both in game, and out of game on the discord voice their disdain for security players existing, and how they enjoy going out of their way to make things more difficult for security players. There is no IC justification for it, they just want to OOC’ly make security players miserable. This cargo situation was a PERFECT example of this entitlement attitude. It is LRP, and its also a massive dick move.

I will do the service of not naming and shaming here, but I have seen ADMINS AND MENTORS complaining about things as mundane as security players performing random searches, or stepping into departments to perform tasks in emergencies. This is ridiculous, ESPECIALLY coming from admins and mentors who quite frankly should know better.

I have seen people on multiple occasions bad mouth and slander common security players openly on the discord for no other reason than them playing the game and happening to redtext antagonists. I personally have had people emote on prior ban appeals to troll me, spread malicious rumors about myself and others in DChat, and openly lie about me on outside forums like reddit, insinuating that I bait newer players to break rules so they get banned which is of course a ridiculous lie.

Overall, you may or may not have noticed that almost everyone who plays security doesn’t stick around. Almost every single security “main” that I played with when I joined this server around last October has quit. This is because you are constantly attacked IC and OOC by people in every sphere of the game and outside of it, and the admins will NEVER have your back. The sheer lack of empathy and understanding for security players is wild.

Quite literally the “meta” for security is to just immediately cryo the second things get bad. How freaking sad is that? But it makes sense. If you break a few eggs so to speak to try and do the impossible, you will enjoy having to explain your every action to an admin, since security is so restrained in having any sort of human IC response to the insanity you are repeatedly exposed to.

My point is this: I would like to see admins be SIGNIFICANTLY more understanding of security in the future. The only admins I can point out that I know for a fact have significant security experience are Marm and Matttheficus. Security is the hardest role in the game bar none outside antagonist roles. Nothing else comes close. The level of salt and malice you get exposed to can be INTENSE. Instead of joining the dogpile on security, it would be nice to see admins make any sort of effort to empathize.

 

Final Thoughts:

Yep it’s a lot of salt over a video game but I think it needed to be said. My feelings are in fact a tad hurt over it. I joined this server to make friends and in that I have succeeded. That said I do not feel like I am given any benefit of the doubt by admins, and I don’t think they make a reasonable effort to understand my side of things. This is a great server, but I think the admins need to do a better job of being understanding of people in the future.

[State of assistants on paradise]

I don’t have an issue with assistants in their current state. I see it as a role where you want to be in the round, but just want to hang out without expectations. 
 

As for bridge hobos I’ve never really had a problem with it. The bridge is a nexus of activity, so it naturally draws people in. Is it LRP? Sure. But it’s an MRP server. Everything you see fluxes from LRP to HRP depending on the round and where you go and who you talk to. 

["RP jobs" and content.]

I like to make a point to try to remember to interact at least once with these types of roles each round if they’re active. I used to be better about it. 
 

Anything from chatting the bartender, telling the barber to fuck my shit up, getting therapy for awful HoS round #3,456, or going to confession for obliterating someone as security. 

[Orange and Violet Alerts, Changes to Alert Calling]

I think cap or HoS should be able to swipe for red alone. Was always weird to me that the ultimate authority on station wasn’t allowed to declare a code red alone. 
 

To be honest I’d forgotten the finer points of Gamma SOP. The ability to declare gamma without CC would be a noticeable change. I’d be a tad worried of people getting in the trend of calling gamma just because sec took casualties. There may need to be certain guidelines on when a code gamma can be swiped for. 
 

Orange and violet sound interesting from a RP perspective, but mechanically I don’t think they’d change much. They’d just be cool to have, and be a way to focus department attention. 

[Does anyone else feel unsatisfied with being doctor on Paradise?]

I’m less a fan of arbitrarily making medbay harder, and more a fan of adding features. I would love to see things added from tg code like brute/burn surgery, and revival surgery. It would allow skilled medbay players to operate under duress, and reward learning the intricacies of medbay. 
 

Everytime this topic comes up people tend to forget that the rounds are 2 hours long on average. A bald medbay has a tendency to make rounds pure pain, despite how easy paradise medical is in comparison to other codebases. 
 

For that reason I think the focus should be on rewarding experienced med players with optimized and flexible procedures if they care to learn them, rather than taking the easier options away.