Komrad822
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Two turtle doves
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6 flashbanged moths
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1 banned shitter
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1 questionable admin shitpost
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I just foresee a QM micromanaging everything away from cargo using that.
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While I would have loved to have gotten their objectives before engaging, I didn't. While I don't agree with the notion "You don't know thus you shouldn't act" since initial assistance can be paid for later and whats the point in waiting on finding out their objectives if they will be caught right then and there. Agree that for my objectives yes, it went too long and should have backed off earlier. I'm familiar with the "Talked to player, place the note" and I'm glad you and the other admins present classified it as a neutral. I appreciate the swift response Coolrune and the professional stance on it while also being understanding in my confusion.
Will say I did take into consideration "Do I wanna do this? I will be called out for this." But then figured "One of my muggings will be an officer. Ill be 'loud' eventually, lets help this dumb nerd now." But yeah, didnt have to, did, and now we're here. Will remember that assist clause in Rule 6 for later though.
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Admin(s) Key: Coolrune206
Your ckey (Byond username): Komrad822
Your Discord name (if applicable): Komrad (Hector/Erudita)Date(s) of incident (GMT preferred): October 8th, 2023
ROUND ID: NA
Nature of complaint: Clarification request/feedback
Links to all relevant ban appeals for any bans related to this complaint: NA
Brief description (tl;dr here. Just the critical elements): A note was applied to my account that reads "October 8 - as a non-hijack Antagonist, jumped into a fight between a Hijacker and their allies vs Security, engaging officers with a mini e-bow. no ahelp to assist the hijacker but was assisting another antag before it spiraled out of hand". It omits a key detail with assisting the hijacker and is false in its last statement since I was not assisting another antag at the time, merely running into them and talking with them.
Full description of events: Wanna start with saying, I don't have anything against Coolrune and I don't even know if they were the one who placed the note on my account as there were multiple other admins online, they were just the one who talked to me. Also there was likely great discussion with the other admins before deciding to do so. I've already talked to a headmin about this and they say its more a neutral standing but a note is a note and if its neutral I don't know why it leaves out key details that will be expressed below.Round start, objectives were to kill someone and steal super matter sliver. I toss codewords over comms and I learn of various tots around the station and then get messages from some. One was Capella, they were an Explorer and I asked for a helmet with flash resistance but they seemed disinterested in getting it for me. Will note from this point on I didn't pay attention to any messages from them or on comms as I began talking with other tots in my direct vicinity such as Rufus who approached me and tossed a codeword at me. Eventually im contacted by an admin to do some funnier objectives which was to mug specific people of all their cash. I liked this idea and didn't involve round removing someone, just mugging them for their cash. I grabbed an ebow and adrenals and was ready. NOTE, one of my objectives was an officer, so I would have gone loud eventually as its still theft.
Fast forward to right before the fight, I learn that the bartender is in sci chem with Rufus, and that the bartender is a hijacker. I learn that Andy Roid is also a tot. So currently there were 4 tots in science at one time. As I head north I see a fight with sec breaking out between Capella and security. I notice Capella has the wololo staff and robe and discern that the regular crew fighting sec are their thralls. They were losing the fight so I stood on the side lines and began as discretely as possible shooting officers from the side to assist. The fight drags on and no one is getting anywhere. Eventually an officer arrives and starts opening with lethals. I reposition but they notice and chace me into maints and begin dumping laser fire into me. I push further south into sci, to avoid them and make it a point to grab that officer to loot them as having a sec ID, cuffs, and a headset is advantageous to me, especially with the AI having seen what has been happening. I get them, AI locks down the area, I push to leave and eventually do so. Later im caught due to running into sec and constant reinforcements on their way to handle the Capella hoard. I did state overcomms my situation over comms to maybe give other the window to maybe break me out of my situation.
After being caught I was talked to further by Coolrune and asked why I didn't ahelp to assist a hijacker as im supposed to. I stated I had 0 idea that Capella was a hijacker and that I was merely assisting another tot in handling the situation they were in. As the above scenario can be described as "see other tot in trouble, assist said tot, fight lasted longer than wanted, eventually leave." Again, I had ZERO idea Capella was a hijacker, which is what this note focuses on. I know ignorance isn't necessarily an excuse BUT how am I going to ahelp to help a hijacker if I have zero clues to the fact they are a hijacker. Fighting sec is not a clue, wololo staff is not a hijacker only item, and there was no non-sec murderbone that I noticed at the beginning or during the fight. This was mentioned in the talk thus why was it not mentioned in the note. Should I ahelp every single time I think about assisting another tot in a similar situation JUST incase they are hijack? Wanted clarification as to why this was the route taken for this note as it seems like its grabbing at straws. In the end, the only officer I can say that was definitely killed and looted was the one I was able to grab from the escaping officers which was also the one who shot me full of lasers.
About the last section of the note, it states I was previously assisting another antag but I merely talked to other traitors around me that I saw, I never made any actions to assist another traitor whatsoever until the Capella fight. I merely asked Andy Roid to make a surgery bed and also I had been planning to use a specific item to kill my target until that objective was changed to mugging people for their money. What counts as assisting and why was this added to the note when the note mainly pertains to me assisting a hijacker without ahelping about it. Is assisting another traitor note worthy?
I understand there is context that I may be missing, there was ample time between when the talking and messaging took place that a discussion was held with other admins. My first reply may have not been the greatest on Coolrune initially messaging me but I had zero intention of helping any hijack take place, merely help the antag that I saw in trouble and then go on with my round. If fighting a group of sec is now a hijack level activity then please communicate with me here about that so other antag players know that.
Again, want clarification. Preferably the note more accurately define the situation or removed. But is there more to the note I don't see since im not an admin, I don't know. Lastly, again, I respect Coolrune and nothing against them with this AC.
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Atez breaking lyrics of country road before suddenly producing an armblade and killing the poor second vocalist south of him. Truly inspiring performance.
Never enough plasmeme
Back and forth she went, plagued by the admemery to the side
Insert Skyrim joke here
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I pretty much agree with what Mitch has stated. Agree with armed and dangerous clause change. Adrenals and Freedoms shouldnt be immediate lethals usage unless you're in a live or die situation if they are using adrenals. Stims should be the exception to this rule, the only way to deal with stim users is bola, dog pile them, and/or sedate them, the last part requiring armory being opened anyway for sec to get dart slugs.
Space Law is as much a guideline as it is a safety blanket for sec as it protects them from both IC and OOC trouble aslong as they follow it and the situation is appropriate. But currently some people are bending it a bit much so they win. "The antag may be down but they are still armed, thus i shall beat their legs so they are damage slowed and cant run away if they get a glare/freedoms/acid-cuffs" is currently what people have been doing.
Antags at the micro scale (1v1, 1v2) usually have the advantage but at a macro scale they are at a disadvantage. Sec has numbers on them and their sole goal is to apply the law, generally the AI is assisting sec, and crew themselves are a wildcard but they usually call out crime as its happening. And then theres CC who can send a kill squad for the antag(s) if the situation calls for it. This ties into what Joey said, sec should meet with the antag with escalation, why? They always have the base escalation advantage. Antags have limited resources and their situations can turn on a dime. Sec will almost always have medbay to assist, rnd to give them better tools, and the station on their side, so why RUSH to beat every antag before 45 minutes? Just play it out, but sadly most people don't think like this, and thus clauses need to be tightened and less forgiving so everyone can enjoy the game at various levels of play.
Rule 0 is still a thing and while the exact wording states "server rules" it should also be applied to Space Law and SOP. At the end of the day, its a game and there are people playing it who may not be as good or gamer as you. If you caught them once, you will likely catch them again later.
EDIT: Lethals ALSO include harm-batoning people into damage slow and beyond.
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Oldie but a goldie, their head was here for a good 40 minutes,
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The mime had gathered them all together but i rearranged them to be somewhat symmetrical.
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Zouri: Alexa, play BFG division.
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Remember the basics of CQC (and nukie)
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Blobber gang rise up, midround blob gaming.
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The font in the relations wants me to fucking die but its fitting for Gloppie. Absolute perfection.
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The talking mime trying to do surgery with the guidance and grief of their Holopara.
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Reach the highest number without an admin posting
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2 hammer bros