[Admin Complaint got deleted]

It was not deleted, it was resolved by a former head of staff, with head of staff approval. You didn't respond for coming up to a week, so it was resolved into the resolved section here;

https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/74-resolved/

You can read the response here;

 

[Am I wrong to want to keep people who don't work in the same department as me out of my workplace?]

The thing I often dislike whenever you are in any department or job, is assistants just walking in, thinking they own the place and can do as they please. And if you so much as tell them to leave, throw them out, report them or anything for the sorts.. they start taking that as an "attack" and believe it justifies them in messing with your round / department the whole shift. People don't play assistant to help others, learn a job or be helpful in any degree.. people play assistant purely because they don't want to do any work / job, but still believe it justifies them to just cause trouble purely because they can. Often with some silly gimmick like "I'm gonna steal everyones shoes" or "I'm gonna see how many times I can break into a department without getting arrested." or "I'm going to act like I'm <x job> when I'm not. I'm gonna make my own science / medbay / cargo." 

Even when people say this is a cooperative game, assistants often are not cooperative at all. They just do whatever they want and believe they can get away with it, because they should / can. Not communicating, standing at doors purposely so when someone walks in, they follow in. And if anyone interfers, it's free game to fuck with them the whole shift. Yes, it is a cooperative game.. but I cannot be cooperative with the assistant who keeps breaking into cargo / science / medical / engineering / kitchen, ect, stealing shit for themselves (Thus, taking stuff away from people who actually need / use it), hoard stuff, refuse to talk / communicate in any fashion, whine that you're the one ruining their game and then spend the whole round to attack / fuck with you. It's a self-entitled mentality of "I need this stuff, but I refuse to ask for it, I will get it myself. Why are you disarming me? That lets me kill you now." or "What do you mean I can't have a stunbaton / hoard all the kitchen food for myself? You're selfantagging me! I'm gonna selfantag you now!" As if them being an assistant = them being the main character.

I see no issue with throwing people out of your department (Unless they were invited in. But that's another pet annoyance of mine when greydy mctideface is allowed in, because their metafriend is working there and they just lay around, then get in the way of everyone else who isn't their friend) who are causing problems. If they continue, yes, security can be told. If they really continue to fuck with you / your department.. that's entering simply being a dick, for the sake of being a dick. If they wanted to do a job, they should of signed up for that job / asked the HoP if they can be hired into it.

[Complaint against Abydos2 - Unnecessary overreaction to IC actions/Unnecessary warning]

3 hours ago, Contra said:

This means they would have taken somewhere between 35 and 56 stamina damage. I didn't know how much stam damage they had taken, so yes I used CQC Kick on him. With one kick, this would have disabled him because of his stam damage, but I didn't know that, because there is no way to tell how much stamina damage someone has in the moment.

Before the slam, your friend hit him 5 times. If a boxing punch does 5-8, that's 30-45. Slam does 50.

So by the time he was on the floor, he had 80-95 stamina. He was effectively down for the count.

 

He was then hit once more by your friend, doing the last 5-8 for 100/108 stamina. Followed up by your kick, that's 40 ontop, for 140/148. Max stamina damage someone can take is 120.

Again. Followed by the rest of your attacks and your friend, he was out of it. He had no way of fighting back, let alone doing anything, while stuck up against a wall / airlock, taking damage.

 

This is proven by both my tests, yourself, the logs and other admins who help me look over CQC damages.

 

3 hours ago, Contra said:

He may have been pushed upwards, but he can't have been pushed to the side by either of us. Neither boxing nor CQC can disarm to shove people. He only could have willingly gone to the right, into that corner. Any pushing upward that did happen only happened by accident because you need to be close to do melee combat.

If a person is being attacked, he wouldn't willingly go to the right or go up, the opposite side of the exit. He'd push back against one of you, who was pushing him into the corner which is what I saw. You said so yourself, your friend went around the corner to him.. meaning, he was pushed up by your friend. And you came around the other way, effectively cornering him.

 

3 hours ago, Contra said:

You were slamming them into a wall, Clark was slammed once into a freezer airlock.

This is an argue of schematics, as no matter which way it is, he was still taking brute damage. Had he fought back in anyway, it could be argued you would of kept on CQCing him.

 

3 hours ago, Contra said:

As for this, yes, I waited several minutes after the end of the freeze to wait for messages from you. After not receiving a message for a while, I cryo'd and left the game, because I felt like absolute shit after this interaction. I don't think that cryoing after something like that is unexpected

You didn't wait any moment of time. By the time I had messaged this to you as I was reading logs at the time.

 

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[2023-06-26T05:29:08] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self): Just a reminder, incase you've forgotten as well, you cornered him in a 1x1 gap and was constantly hitting him with CQC.. against a door / wall. Throwing people against doors / walls, damages them. You were essentially killing him.

[2023-06-26T05:30:46] ADMIN: PM: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)->Abydos2: The brute was not intentional, the harm harm move is just the way of doing majority of stamina damage. I didnt mean to kick him against the door

By the time I had sent that, and you sent a reply, you already ran off to cryo.

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[2023-06-26T05:32:16] SAY: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self) (147,136,2):  'I can't do this anymore.'

[2023-06-26T05:32:20] SAY: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self) (147,136,2):  'my shift has been ruined'

[2023-06-26T05:32:55] ACCESS IN: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self) - BYOND v514.1589

1 minute, 30 seconds.

So I apologize that I am not the machine I claim to be, as I have to read over multiple combat logs from 3 different people to get an idea of the scope and picture of the situation, as I was going off information I saw at the time, which was 2 people attacking someone, who was down for the count and taking damage. And that I need at least a few minutes to read over the log and don't immediately get back to you for such.

 

Which is again, because both of you had forgotten hitting people into objects, damages them. Which is why it was left as a warning and a reminder. The guy was down, didn't hit back in anyway, and was being beaten on. It was excessive over him simply taking 1 piece of food.

[Complaint against Abydos2 - Unnecessary overreaction to IC actions/Unnecessary warning]

Allow me to go over a few things;

 

1 hour ago, Contra said:

I notice, and help my sous chef stamina crit him. He ran into the corner, I knock him to the floor, and use CQC kick on him.

He didn't run into the corner himself, he was pushed there by your friend. You took one side, he took the other. You both effectively boxed him straight up into the corner of the room.

 

 

1 hour ago, Contra said:

I knock him to the floor, and use CQC kick on him. This put him in stamcrit, and I put him in a chokehold (a move to sleep them) so we could safely deal with him.

You didn't only just knock him onto the floor, and you were doing it way more than needed. He was already on the floor, with your friend whailing on him, effectively stun locking him and you still threw in extra hits, before doing the chokehold. You also confirmed later which I'll bring up, that you had completely forgotten or it slipped that, hitting people into walls / doors, damages them. This is coming from both of you, as both of you cornered him into one corner of the room,  with yourself hitting him with attacks that fling him backwards.. which, with nowhere to go, is on a door / wall, making it so he takes damage.

 

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[2023-06-26T05:19:26] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,133,2) against Clark Teagarden (145,133,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:27] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,133,2) against Clark Teagarden (145,133,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:27] EMOTE: Clark Teagarden (145,133,2): screams!
[2023-06-26T05:19:27] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,133,2) against Clark Teagarden (145,133,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:28] EMOTE: Clark Teagarden (145,134,2): screams!
[2023-06-26T05:19:28] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,133,2) against Clark Teagarden (145,134,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:30] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(145,136,2) against Clark Teagarden (145,137,2): Melee attacked with Boxing

[2023-06-26T05:19:31] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,137,2) against Clark Teagarden (146,138,2): Grabbed passively
[2023-06-26T05:19:31] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,137,2) against Clark Teagarden (146,138,2): Melee attacked with martial-art Close Quarters Cooking : grabbed
[2023-06-26T05:19:32] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(145,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (146,138,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:33] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,137,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,138,2): Melee attacked with martial-art Slam :  Slam
[2023-06-26T05:19:33] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,138,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:33] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,137,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,138,2): Melee attacked with martial-art Close Quarters Cooking
[2023-06-26T05:19:33] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,137,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,138,2): Melee attacked with martial-art Close Quarters Cooking : stomps on
[2023-06-26T05:19:34] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,137,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Kicked in the head with martial-art CQC Kick : Kick
[2023-06-26T05:19:34] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:35] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:35] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Melee attacked with martial-art Close Quarters Cooking
[2023-06-26T05:19:35] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Melee attacked with martial-art Close Quarters Cooking : stomps on
[2023-06-26T05:19:36] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:36] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Kicked in the head with martial-art CQC Kick : Kick
[2023-06-26T05:19:37] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:38] ATTACK: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)(146,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Melee attacked with Boxing
[2023-06-26T05:19:38] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Grabbed passively
[2023-06-26T05:19:38] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Melee attacked with martial-art Close Quarters Cooking : grabbed

[2023-06-26T05:19:38] SAY: Musket/(Clark Teagarden) (147,139,2):  'My food'

[2023-06-26T05:19:39] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Disarmed with martial-art Close Quarters Cooking
[2023-06-26T05:19:42] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Melee attacked with martial-art Restrain : Restrain

[2023-06-26T05:19:44] ATTACK: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)(147,138,2) against Clark Teagarden (147,139,2): Put into a chokehold with martial-art Close Quarters Cooking

 

1 hour ago, Contra said:

We were told we were "beating him to near death, and robbing him." As shown later in the screenshots, they say themselves only 30-40 brute was done to them. Even this damage was on accident, because he cornered himself, which made the kicks throw him into the door (In the moment, I did not realize this). I tried to explain that I was only using stamina moves on them, and that CQC got changed to stamina-based move set, because I knew Abydos2 had been away from the game for a while. We were both left frozen for a while, presumably so they could check logs/talk to both of us.

 

I was double checking the combat logs, to get an idea of how bad the situation was as I had seen him get to about 50 brute and both of you didn't seem to be showing any signs of stopping (Guy with boxing gloves was constantly hitting for example). Both of you had actually completely forgotten about that throwing people into walls / doors, deals damage to people. On a normal throw, according to S34N, its about 9. On a CQC hit? It's more 22. As I conducted this test twice to make sure it was the exact amount.

 

The way I saw things, a guy had broken into the kitchen.. got cornered by the both of you as one pushed him towards the other, and you filled in the gap to close it. And both of you just started laying into the guy. The guy was already on the floor by your slam, and then being stunlocked from the boxing gloves. The guy with boxing gloves not so much.. but you with CQC / kicks, was actively harming him even when he was already down on the floor.. and the only way to harm someone on the floor in such a manner.. is when they are on the floor.

My conversation first with your friend:

 

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[2023-06-26T05:20:21] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil): So.. why are you beating an atmospheric tech to death and then robbing him?

[2023-06-26T05:20:48] ADMIN: PM: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)->Abydos2: Boxing gloves, he walked in without paying. Shouldn't have hurt him.

[2023-06-26T05:22:36] ADMIN: PM: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)->Abydos2: Unless I'm wrong about boxing gloves being non-lethal? They don't hurt someone on the floor right?

[2023-06-26T05:22:39] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil): You were still harming him alongside your friend, you had dealt well over 30-40 brute on someone for absolutely no reason other than you could.

[2023-06-26T05:23:52] ADMIN: PM: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)->Abydos2: Oof, yeah no the intention was not to do that much brute. It was to take him down and stop him from trespassing. Sorry for that.

[2023-06-26T05:24:22] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil): So you'll both be receiving a warning for this. If he stole, you can non-lethally throw him out, or call security. Not beat him to the point he needs to go to medical, when he's down and unable to fight back, and then rob him so he can't get out.

[2023-06-26T05:24:57] ADMIN: PM: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)->Abydos2: Alright, I swear I was using the gloves though... Did they get knocked into the door doing the brute with harm-harm?

[2023-06-26T05:25:23] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil): Throwing people against walls / doors, does damage them yes. As both of you cornered him in a 1x1 gap.

[2023-06-26T05:26:30] ADMIN: PM: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)->Abydos2: Yeah no that was a whoopsie, we were trying to stop him there, its why we stopped after he was knocked down.

[2023-06-26T05:27:09] ADMIN: PM: QuadDevil/(Eyes-Of-Devil)->Abydos2: Was just going to charge him for the food he already grabbed and have him out, but uh yeah. Is what it is I guess, sorry for the trouble.

 

And yourself:

 

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[2023-06-26T05:20:17] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self): So.. why are you beating an atmospheric tech to death and then robbing him?

[2023-06-26T05:20:34] ADMIN: PM: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)->Abydos2: We're taking their ID to pay for food, because they stole from us

[2023-06-26T05:20:44] ADMIN: PM: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)->Abydos2: We're going to let them out once they paid

[2023-06-26T05:20:46] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self): So that warrants nearly beating him to death over it?

[2023-06-26T05:20:59] ADMIN: PM: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)->Abydos2: Its CQC, I wasn't harming him, it just does stam damage

[2023-06-26T05:21:24] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self): You were harming him.

[2023-06-26T05:21:29] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self): CQC harms.

[2023-06-26T05:21:43] ADMIN: PM: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)->Abydos2: CQC got reworked to be non-lethal so chef could use it

[2023-06-26T05:22:12] ADMIN: PM: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)->Abydos2: I was using the CQC kick, its description is "Harm Harm. Knocks opponent away and slows them. Will instead deal massive stamina damage, and mute opponents who are on the ground."

[2023-06-26T05:22:18] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self): You were still harming him alongside your friend. You were beating him down to 30-40 brute.

[2023-06-26T05:22:42] ADMIN: PM: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)->Abydos2: I dont know where he got that brute damage, I was just using CQC

[2023-06-26T05:22:51] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self): He got it from you.

[2023-06-26T05:23:09] ADMIN: PM: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)->Abydos2: The only move that does brute damage from what I know is consequtive CQC, which I wasnt using

[2023-06-26T05:24:17] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self): So you'll both be receiving a warning for this. If he stole, you can non-lethally throw him out, or call security. Not beat him to the point he needs to go to medical, when he's down and unable to fight back, and then rob him so he can't get out.

[2023-06-26T05:29:08] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self): Just a reminder, incase you've forgotten as well, you cornered him in a 1x1 gap and was constantly hitting him with CQC.. against a door / wall. Throwing people against doors / walls, damages them. You were essentially killing him.

[2023-06-26T05:30:46] ADMIN: PM: Bluecloud117/(Heals-Thy-Self)->Abydos2: The brute was not intentional, the harm harm move is just the way of doing majority of stamina damage. I didnt mean to kick him against the door

At which point, you then cryo'd and disconnected.

1 hour ago, Contra said:

This whole incident made me feel pretty terrible, I felt demeaned, ignored, and belittled. We were told I was "essentially killing him", by trying to put him in stamcrit. I felt as if my actions fell well within the rules, particularly with rule 7. We had been telling people all shift, they needed to pay, and I feel its pretty expected if you break into kitchen, you will get CQC'd by the chef. I was told to non-lethally detain them, and that's what I was trying to do. I don't know what else I could have done, I couldn't even disarm him because I notably had CQC. I cryo'd shortly after this because it had really ruined my whole night. I felt like I was being accused of purposely trying to kill them, even though I wasn't, and didn't even come close to even putting them in crit.

First off, I did not ignore anything you or your friend stated. The core of the matter I was getting into, which to me, was over the top 'self-defense'.

 

So let us recap. As I am ghosting around, I see the start of the fight as I was watching the bar, saw the atmo tech jump the counter into the kitchen and the 2nd chef with boxing gloves chase him upwards, you soon following on the other side.

Both of you corner him into the room. At the time, I didn't know that one of you had boxing gloves on (Same attack animation as a punch, same sound, ect), the guy with the boxing gloves start laying into him while you grab him and slam him. At this point, he's already on the floor.. practically well within a stunlock / stam crit at this point.. even with the guy whailing into him with boxing gloves, you then start to CQC him on the floor.

Twice, hitting him into the wall.. the only reason I marked "About 30-40" brute, was because of some of the food he ate gave him a temporary little heal so his wounds were not as bad.. but you were effectively giving him brain damage (Minor) and about 45 brute within two combos. Had you decided to do any more, or even before I had frozen you, he would of either ended up within crit, or broken bones with brain damage. it is why I was using the information available to me, at the time, to make a judgement that "There's a possibility theses two may end up killing him if they continue." 

 

It is why I said you were "essentially" killing him.. as he was taking active damage from your attacks, which, you yourself admitted, you had forgotten about or didn't realize. You said you were trying to deal with it non-lethally.. but the guy was already on the floor, your friend with boxing gloves had him effectively stamina locked but then you were hitting him when he is on the floor. He couldn't even do anything when you slammed him, he was essentially, stuck on the floor while two of you whailed on him with him being the only one taking any form of damage.

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Violence between non-antags is acceptable to a degree, such as barfights and a few punches, but the expectation is that people are RPing sane individuals in a workplace. Murdering someone or beating them into crit for stealing from their workplace, insulting them, or other minor grievances is psychopathic behaviour and disallowed. If the other party is on the ground and you keep hitting them, you've clearly gone too far.

 

Kicking someone while they are down is not self defence - that’s just vengeance. While a few extra clicks can happen in the heat of combat, rendering someone unable to get back up may be treated as murder. There are no “castle doctrine” or “stand your ground” laws here.

 

Both of you didn't realize what you were doing, which is why it was left as a warning and both of you were reminded, that yes.. even CQCing people against walls / doors, hurts them and you were doing far more damage than you realized.

 

[Update Drug Possession Laws? - 103 Drug Possession - Gap in the law being exploited.]

2 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

Well my brother - you need to put the snowflake in when you search for me on discord first of all. 

No, I don't and neither does Discord.

[Update Drug Possession Laws? - 103 Drug Possession - Gap in the law being exploited.]

10 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

Also hilarious that you would slap me a Discord ban, for this post. 

Nobody banned you, you left of your own accord. You spoke up this huge thing about a debate, but when admins decide not to choose your side, you go to insulting us, only nit picking pieces of our response and now trying to pull the "ADMINS BANNED ME FOR SPEAKING".

[Update Drug Possession Laws? - 103 Drug Possession - Gap in the law being exploited.]

43 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

Disappointing that you would be so completely hostile when I'm genuinely trying to argue about something that I saw was affecting people negatively, not just me.
I think ill address your entire comment and then leave this thread to rot - as well as my paradise account lmao, sorry im not welcome :D

That is fine, and you are more than welcome to. None of this was hostile, this was challenging you and asking you why this should happen.. and all you have to say about it is "Because it has to be written down". Why? Absolutely everyone knows this law, how it is enforced, and conducted. No one is gonna look at that law and go "Oh its okay to use drugs", when using drugs, means you have drugs.

And frankly, you won't have any such luck in any of the other servers, as they ALL have the SAME law.

TG:

Goonstation:

Yogstation:

Beestation:

 

Even CM with Marine Law, has the same wording:

 

43 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

then write the law, wait the sentence, explaining that ingestion is still possession. 

Do we have to write down that willingly murdering someone who wants to be killed is still murder? No, we don't, as its common sense for that to be murder.

Do we have to write down, that breaking a window or wall, unless its to do with engineering / construction work, is breaking station assets? No, we don't, as it is common sense.

Do we have to write down, that Cargo ordering weapon crates and arming themselves up is possession of restricted weaponary? No, we don't.. as despite them ordering those crates / guns "legally", them breaking them open and arming up is still possession of restricted weaponary.

There is common sense, and just wilfully ignoring the entire intent of the law, simply because "You don't have <x>" under a full blanket.

43 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

First off- I never was jailed for taking drugs, I was the one arresting. I thought it was pretty unfair when it wasn't even written down, that's why I'm bitching

It is written down, again, you are simply arguing not "ONE" word is on that list.

43 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

2. not everyone knows and understand that that is how the laws been interpreted for 4+ years my dude.

Absolutely everyone knows, understands, that having drugs or taking drugs means you can be arrested for drug possession. Absolutely no one has had an issue with it apart from you. If over 90 people playing on the server every single day understands what the law means, and 1 person does not, and wants to argue one word.. then the issue lies not in the multiple people, but the one attempting to abuse or argue against the law.

43 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

I clearly didn't, people in my screenshots didn't, new players won't and certainly new security players haven't got the faintest idea. 

Everyone in those screenshots knew, and understood what the law was. The only one making a huge thing out of it was yourself.

 

43 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

Murder is one person harming another - we're talking about one person taking drugs themselves and breaking department sops or someone else giving it to them willingly. Not really sure what this is supposed to point out. 

Again, that is already covered. If they were given the drugs by another person, they are guilty of drug possession and the provider, guilty of Distribution. If they found, made or took the drug themselves, still guilty of drug possession. If another person forced them to have drugs, such as spiking food, injections, fake pills or the like.. they are not guilty of drug possession (As they did not KNOW it was a drug), and the person who gave it to them, is guilty of assault.

Literally, everything you are trying to argue against, is already pointed out and provided for. You are still arguing over one word, when that is pretty much already clear on the matter. And the murder was an example.. it clearly says "Killing another person is murder", but from the argument route you are going, with this whole thing, making it out as if "But what if the person wanted to die? Its not written down". Can you see how silly that is?

 

43 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

Very glad pms that i sent privately In-game were shared with multiple staff members - and now weaponised against me publicly :D (my '3 years' thing was also sent privately to avoid any chance of a dox so cheers) 

You were the one who informed the staff of such, and absolutely no one is going to beable to dox you, purely because someone said "You said you have 3 years in the justice system". Okay, and? I've been a paradise admin for over 3 years, coming up to 4.. doesn't mean everyone is suddenly gonna know "Abydos lives at <x> and his full name is <x>". 

It was brought up because you are constantly attempting to argue exact technical areas, claim knowledge of law or even RL law, yet, bring up facts or situations that are completely untrue. Or claiming that you have "confidence" that <x> law isn't enforced in real life.. if it wasn't, the amount of drunk driving, public intoxication, fights, injuries, death, ect would skyrocket in every single country.

You even confirm that those people who do such a thing, are indeed arrested or detained. Sure, one or two may get slipped by because they aren't overly dangerous / fully drunk, but you can't say "confidently" that every one is given a slap on the wrist.

 

If this entire thing of you being informed "We don't see any reason to change one aspect of space law, as it is has been working for years and only one person has an issue with it" is the reason you leave, then hope you luck on whatever server you pick. But as shown before, you won't have any other luck in attempting to get them to change their aspect of space law if that is the only thing you can focus on.

[Update Drug Possession Laws? - 103 Drug Possession - Gap in the law being exploited.]

Just now, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

 If i carry no drugs

The drugs are in your system right now.

1 minute ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

and never did (clown injects me, willingly - pretty much identical to what happened above)

If the clown injected you, which you willingly agreed to, that is still drug possession.

If the clown injected, which you didn't agree to, then that is assault on his part. And anyone would naturally assume you would report them to Security.

2 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

there isn't a single law, or mention of intoxication under the law, then its not against the law... Just add a sentence and it would be.

Why? Anyone can connect the dots. Anyone can see what the law means. Anyone knows "If I was eating food and it was laced with space drugs, I'd tell security" or "If I'm talking to a friend, and the clown shoots me with a syringe.. I'd tell security.". You are literally the only person within years to suddenly go "I'm going to willingly take drugs, and then bitch when I get arrested for it, because its not written down."

You are literally the only person who is making an entire scene around one thing, because you got arrested for taking drugs, and wanted to bitch about schematics involving it. And yes, I do mean schematics, because that is your entire argument. You are taking a schematic, a design.. and going "This is all wrong, you should add X" when X.. is already defined, just not YOUR version of it.

There is honestly no reason to change anything in space law, when it is already defined, hinted and linked to.. just because you want to argue exact wording. That'd honestly be like taking 502, Murder, and argue "Yes, I did murder this guy BUT he was willing and wanted me to. Space law says nothing about wilful murder".. Murder is murder. Taking or having drugs on you, is drug possession. Someone forcing or tricking you into taking drugs, is assault. If you break space law, you break space law.

8 minutes ago, NarrowlyAvoidingABan said:

argue, with supreme confidence in this area, that cops very much do release people for being intoxicated in public, especially when they carry nothing on them lmao - either that or a public intoxication charge / public disturbance charge

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about then, as those people are not given a slap on the wrist, and sent off into the public. They are arrested / detained, and held in drunk tanks, or a jail cell for a day / until they are sober. Often given a fine or even a criminal record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_tank

In the US, they are called Sobering centers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobering_center

You claiming to have "3 years in the justice system", have no idea what you are talking about when it actually comes to the law, have no idea what a drunk tank is, and honestly believe that the cops just slap people on the wrist, and allow them to drive home, or stumble into a fight or injury is laughable.

[Update Drug Possession Laws? - 103 Drug Possession - Gap in the law being exploited.]

Again, you are arguing schematics, for the sake of arguing schematics.

You got hold of some drugs. You then take those drugs.. you are guilty of taking drugs and being in possession of drugs. You are literally just arguing the entire point "But its bad for you to have drugs, it doesn't say about taking them." 

That is entirely a moot and regardless point, the drugs are in your system right now. No cop in the entire world would go "We can't arrest them, they had drugs, but they took them.". That doesn't work like that, and is a pointless argument. If you've got ten people who see you take a drug, and they tell Security that you took that drug.. you can't say "Yes, I had drugs, but I took them, so its fine, its not against the law."

[Update Drug Possession Laws? - 103 Drug Possession - Gap in the law being exploited.]

There's an entire space law section on those who grow, make or attempt to give away / sell drugs.

And then there is the law about having the drugs or taking them.

Now, take note of the wording in both of the notes regarding those laws. "For distribution, see Narcotics Distribution." "For non-distributed drugs used for recreation, see Drug possession."

If you create, grow, or whatever the drugs.. and start handing them out, then you are distributing narcotics, a medium crime.

If you create, grow, or manage to get hold of drugs in anyway, be it from yourself, or from another.. even holding onto them, or using them.. you are in drug possession, a minor crime

/. Its much like how multiple people get done with DUI (Driving under the influence) of narcotics, or alcohol. The drugs / alcohol is gone, in the persons body / system, but they are still charged with possession and DUI.

As an example under UK law;

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You can get a fine or prison sentence if you:

take drugs

carry drugs

make drugs

sell, deal or share drugs (also called ‘supplying’ them)

The penalties depend on the type of drug or substance, the amount you have, and whether you’re also dealing or producing it.

And US laws;

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Drug Use and Possession

Simple possession is a crime that occurs when a person has a small amount of a substance on their person or available for their own use. For simple possession to apply, there must be no intent to sell or give the drug to someone else.

If an individual is caught with possession of illegal drugs or controlled substances, they can face jail time. The length of jail time differs according to the state in which the offense occurs and the previous criminal record of the individual. Under federal law, simple possession is a misdemeanor offense that can lead to a prison term of a year or less for a first offense; however, for subsequent offenses, felony charges and additional years of jail time may apply.

In addition, individuals in the U.S. could face steep fines for possession of drugs. At the federal level, simple possession carries a fine of at least $1,000. Some judges may require that the individual commit a large number of hours to community service as well

Additional Charges and Penalties

Along with possession and trafficking, people can receive drug-related charges for:

Manufacturing – Using ingredients to produce or manipulate controlled substances can bring about penalties that equal or surpass those for drug dealing.

Paraphernalia – Possessing or advertising any materials primarily associated with growing, storing, packaging, or using controlled substances can lead to fines and, in some cases, jail time.

Driving while intoxicated – Operating a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol or controlled substances, including prescribed medications, can result in jail times, fines, and driver’s license revocation.

If you have drugs, or seen under the influence / taking drugs, you are guilty of drug possession. You are merely arguing "But it doesn't SAY that, it HAS to be written down." When anyone can go "Yeah, that guy is on drugs, so he has drugs or is capable of making them."

And yes, someone forcing you or tricking you into taking a drug, is assault on their part. You are not charged with possession if it happened without your knowledge / consent.

[unreasonable way to deal with rulebreaking [abydos2]]

From both your appeal, and from this, it is clear you haven't read the rules.. and have no intention of ever reading the rules on any server. 

Lets take a look at your history;

First, you were banned from Bee station for abusing AA that you got from a devil deal, to constantly recall the shuttle. Despite an admin telling you, you were breaking the rules and self-antagging, you told them "I don't see how thats self-antagging".

Followed by two other bans, of posting CBT erotic copypastas, both between an hour of each other.

https://beestation13.com/bans?page=1&q=Serxule

Following that you decided to go to TG station, where you were also banned from their discord following you deciding to call every staff member and anyone who is against you, a pedophile, and then hide behind "I was joking". I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they also banned you from the server for such.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=28952

Next was your time on Fulp, which ended with you deciding "I'm gonna do a little trolling" and max-capped the bridge, then disconnected.

And now here. First thing you did was break into the vault as an engineer, to crack the safe and steal the documents, all as a non-antag. You were basically stealing an antag objective.

You were banned from the discord, when you got into an argument on coding chat and wouldn't stop arguing / take no for an answer. And then proceed to make an AC that everyone but you is wrong.

You were offensive to other players, calling them cunts and other such things, for practically.. doing absolutely nothing to you.

During an event, you max-cap suicided and told the admin who had to speak with you "I don't see why its a big deal."

And then the QM situation, where you purposely armed up your whole department, held the entire station hostage of "I'll kill you if you do anything, and if you don't let us do what we want, you get nothing", and then attempting to lethally kill a non-lethal team sent to deal with you.. so Security can actually deal with the proper antags. That apparently, again.. only you are in the right, everyone else is in the wrong.

This is honestly a repeated history of "I'm going to see how far I can push the line" and the moment anyone pushes back, telling you, you cannot do this... they are in the wrong, you are in the right, nothing you do is wrong. You've shown this in your previous complaint, you've show this in your appeal, you've shown this in the other server situations and now this one. There is honestly no way of getting anything through to you, if every single other person is 100% wrong, and you are 100% right.. even when you know you are wrong, which you can never seem to accept. This is also why I'd like a vouch from another server, due to this repeated behaviour / history.

I've got nothing else to add on the matter, and everything else has already been cleared within the appeal itself.

 

[Complaint Request to dismiss warning - Abydos2]

3 minutes ago, TheGreaserGuy said:

I want a second admin to look into this. Not someone who is targeting me. You are absolutely wrong, get a second opinion.

It absolutely is not wrong at all.

 

3 minutes ago, TheGreaserGuy said:

Another failure to verify logs. I had the Chef ID which I found on the ground as I was acquiring food before the whole incident started. I was in fact a geneticist. Any other admin would verify this, Abydos2 is clearly abusing his power and spreading false information.

I'm not abusing any power, nor spreading any information. I was using the information I had at the time, which was you wearing the Chefs ID, dressed up as the Chef, and everyone calling you the Chef. The only thing I can think of is "This is the chief", and that changes little to absolutely nothing.

 

4 minutes ago, TheGreaserGuy said:

This is the first kidnapping incident and not what I was referencing. You are misunderstanding me, either intentionally or accidentally. This is not the medbay incident in which I pursed through the tunnels. I did not pursue cultists at this point I was injured and confused so I went to medbay.

I clarified and said within my message, you were outside Science when that happened.

 

5 minutes ago, TheGreaserGuy said:

Nolan failed to kidnap and that was the first kidnapping. I went to medical for my own reasons, because I was injured infact I was dragged by security not even did I go alone. It is entirely a coincidence Paul and I were in the same place at the same time. I was aware of him because I saw him grab the doctor I did not randomly break down a door and chase him I'm not sure where your logic in me randomly doing that comes from. Check heal logs to verify this, I'm not sure if you can verify my exact location in logs which I think is leading to a lot of confusion. I was healed in the medbay. This is where you are failing to understand this entire issue.

You were aware of him as he was the second cultist at the situation in Science, trying to grab you with Nolan. As proven in the screenshot, his name came up in the same area you lot are at. Therefore he was there, and you were aware of him.

 

And verified again, you only showed up at medical until after the kidnapping. It's right there within the screenshot.

 

6 minutes ago, TheGreaserGuy said:

Irrelevant to this situation. Security and CMO were part of said group your words already contradicted this when you claim I was with the CMO. Who are you to justify what I did and I didn't witness I've proven that I have based on heal logs and damage logs.

CMO and Security was not part of any group. There was no Security Officers there, and the CMO had bolted his doors down.. you smashed them down.. there was no "group" there, Security did not ask for your help and the CMO certainly did not tell you "Smash my doors down".. why would he literally say;

 

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[2022-06-08T08:04:48] SAY: /(P.U.R.P.L.E) (152,101,2): (headset) 'Chef just fucking broke my door!'

 

7 minutes ago, TheGreaserGuy said:

Your job is to administrate & help players not discriminate them if someone doesn't understand something take a different approach and make sure you verify everything before you go after someone. I was looking for a solution and you wanted to unfairly take control and ruin my night you have been nothing but assertive and aggressive to me repeating yourself over and over doesn't help anyone understand your concept in a different way.

 

That is what I was doing, I was warning you for breaking the rules.. you were hunting antags, as a job you should not be hunting them in. You had no justification for doing so, and I have linked you both the rules and explained around 7 times now regarding your situation. You are literally taking this situation, running 500 miles with it.. and trying to paint it as something that is completely untrue.. saying that I am targetting you, for doing the job of ensuring you aren't hunting antags as a chef / geneticist jumped up on Hulk merely because you could. You even saying "It's in my character to help people who are in distress".. okay, cool, against the rules, you get warned, simple as.

[Complaint Request to dismiss warning - Abydos2]

21 minutes ago, TheGreaserGuy said:

Said admin claims that I was no longer at my post in the science wing at the time of warning, also claiming that I was abandoning my job, however geneticist is both considered medical and science.

You were not a geneticist, you were the Chef.

 

21 minutes ago, TheGreaserGuy said:

I was however in the medical bay after getting attacked with a ritual knife and trying to stop a previous kidnapping in progress. There was in fact two kidnappings I was involved in, Abydos2 failed to verify that I was involved in both of these and continues to fail to understand why I was in the medical wing.

This is also untrue as far as I saw within the logs. You were involved in a situation with a cultist outside of Science.

That much is clear, however, you were there when the kidnapping was taking place, you only showed up until after the kidnapping.

 

You showed up at medical after the kidnapping and had followed the CMO who had just gotten to maints. When he bolted down the doors, you smashed them down.

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The part that is most frustrating about this in which case Abydos2 is lying about this whole scenario in an abuse of power is when he says that "You didn't see the kidnapping, you heard it." however that doesn't explain why I saw the player I believe "Paul Corin" abducting someone in the medical bay and then dragging them into the maintenance tunnels as well as why I and other players followed them.

Paul originally attempted to kidnap you with Nolan and failed, where you polymorphed into him. He then retreated, went to medical and grabbed a doctor instead. You were only aware of him because he originally attempted to get you.

 

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I was not alone in my search I was present with a group.

You were completely alone, the CMO bolted the doors and you smashed them down. To which he even stated;

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[2022-06-08T08:04:48] SAY: /(P.U.R.P.L.E) (152,101,2): (headset) 'Chef just fucking broke my door!'

And you were running around in maints alone.

 

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"It is only the job of Security to stop Antagonists. If you are not a member of Security, then hunting Antagonists is not something you should be doing. You may not drop your job, or go out of your way, to hunt Antagonists."

HOWEVER: The entirety of the rule states: "It is only the job of Security to stop Antagonists. If you are not a member of Security, then hunting Antagonists is not something you should be doing. You may not drop your job, or go out of your way, to hunt Antagonists. You may, however, defend yourself or others from Antagonist attack if you happen to witness it;"

You did not witness it, you only saw and heard the aftermath of the kidnapping. No one asked for your help, there was no "group", and you broke medical to get into maints.. there by leaving the WHOLE of medical wide open for any cultists to run in. You were doing more harm then good, and you were dropping your drop (Chef), to run after cultists in situations you were not a part of.

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Whether or not I overheard a kidnapping it would be in-character to assist other crewmates if they are in distress. Rule 8 claims that we are allowed to assist others in which case I was doing as I was actively witnessing it. Abydos2 would not accept that I did witness it.

 

No, where or not you heard of it, you do not get to run there and start helping. That's validhunting, and as stated in the advance rules;

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Intent: This rule was specifically added when there was a pattern of people in science arming to the teeth, then patrolling maint and looking for antags. Chaplains and shaft miners have also been a major problem here, but any role can be guilty of this.

If you want to hunt antags, then there is an entire department for that: security. We attempt to balance things around security and their rules of engagement and equipment. If everyone lynches antags as soon as discovered (especially with the tools available to science, engineering, robotics, lavaland tools, etc), then the game is incredibly difficult for antags.

Rule 8 Clarifications

This doesn't mean people shouldn’t defend against, or even not interfere with antags. The key words here are "hunting" and "valid". Non-security should not be hunting for antags. Nor should people be looking specifically for situations where it is "valid" to kill someone.

A good rule of thumb is that you can defend yourself and co-workers, but if the antag runs away, you shouldn’t be chasing them down - once they run you've succeeded in defending them. If you're not security, you should be more concerned with the victim than the antag - don't give chase to them after they've been saved. If someone is kidnapped, chasing them should be with a goal of rescue. Once you've rescued the person, security can apprehend the criminal, not a vigilante.

Again, within this case, you did not witness the kidnapping. You only saw the aftermath and attempted to use it as an excuse to hunt down antags.

 

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I offered Abydos2 to talk with me and try to have a discussion I can understand how we were both frustrated since it seems we couldn't see each others points of view. I asked for another admin to review the case but instead he silenced me and threatened me and kept repeating the same thing instead of trying to be helpful or maybe trying to get me to see his point in a different way. He then decided to mute me and giving me a warning on my account instead of trying to be more understanding or reviewing the logs correctly. 

You offered to talk over discord on Voice chat, where nothing is recorded and I said no. You then was asking another admin to look into it, which was told no as I had explained to you five times the whole situation. You kept bringing it up when I told you that any further attempts too will lead you to being muted, to which you did and was muted. I did not threaten you at all.

[Admin complaint - Abydos2]

On 2/2/2022 at 8:35 AM, Auce said:

After this, I am questioned by Abydos and we have a discussion about why what I did was considered validhunting, and while I disagree with that characterization of the event, I respect their ruling and don't want to contest it. What bothered me was how frank and unwilling to discuss this further with me Abydos was over the adminchat. They flatly refused to explain to me what I should have done differently when asked, accused me of attempting to "admin shop" when I tried to deescalate and speak with someone else and generally made me feel as though I wasn't being heard and wasn't able to get the clarification I needed to prevent this sort of disagreement from happening in the future. 

This is not at all what had happened and completely untrue.

ESC was following his objectives as an antag, and got into a fight amongst security.. which you got dragged into as it was taking place into science. He is completely justified in being allowed to kill people who interfere with his objectives, you being one of them. When all of you ended up in medical, you spotted ESC being put in a cryo pod.. he got pulled out, found you couldn't talk, so you started taking him to the brig. An assistant spotted you, and attempted to stop you.. when you entered crit, you field executed him on the spot.

 

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[2022-02-02T07:50:49] ATTACK: (C.R.I.M.E)(148,112,2) against (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro)(ANTAG)(0,0,0): put into a cryo cell at (148,113,2).

[2022-02-02T07:50:53] SAY: (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro) (149,111,2):  'bAD'

[2022-02-02T07:50:59] GAME: (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro) fell unconscious at The Medbay (151,111,2) (/area/medical/medbay2)

[2022-02-02T07:51:13] SAY: (C.R.I.M.E) (150,102,2):  'They tried to walk to vendors.'

[2022-02-02T07:51:27] SAY: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt) (140,111,2):  'Dont'

[2022-02-02T07:51:28] SAY: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt) (140,111,2):  'He is'

[2022-02-02T07:51:36] SAY: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt) (139,112,2):  'Esc is evil'

[2022-02-02T07:51:52] ATTACK: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)(133,128,2) against (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro)(ANTAG)(134,128,2): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/laser 5% blocked

[2022-02-02T07:51:52] ATTACK: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)(133,128,2) against (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro)(ANTAG)(134,128,2): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/laser 5% blocked

[2022-02-02T07:51:53] ATTACK: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)(131,128,2) against (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro)(ANTAG)(132,128,2): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/laser 5% blocked

[2022-02-02T07:51:53] ATTACK: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)(129,128,2) against (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro)(ANTAG)(130,128,2): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/laser 5% blocked

[2022-02-02T07:51:55] EMOTE: (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro) (128,130,2): Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless...

[2022-02-02T07:52:17] ADMIN: Adminhelp: (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro): Non-Antag RD field executed me. - heard by 4 non-AFK admins.

 

Right here, you broke two rules. Validhunting and murder.

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Rule 8: Validhunting

It is only the job of Security to stop Antagonists. If you are not a member of Security, then hunting Antagonists is not something you should be doing. You may not drop your job, or go out of your way, to hunt Antagonists. You may, however, defend yourself or others from Antagonist attack if you happen to witness it;

Intent: This rule was specifically added when there was a pattern of people in science arming to the teeth, then patrolling maint and looking for antags. Chaplains and shaft miners have also been a major problem here, but any role can be guilty of this.

If you want to hunt antags, then there is an entire department for that: security. We attempt to balance things around security and their rules of engagement and equipment. If everyone lynches antags as soon as discovered (especially with the tools available to science, engineering, robotics, lavaland tools, etc), then the game is incredibly difficult for antags.

We don't want a mentality where people are looking to "win" against the antags.

This doesn't mean people shouldn’t defend against, or even not interfere with antags. The key words here are "hunting" and "valid". Non-security should not be hunting for antags. Nor should people be looking specifically for situations where it is "valid" to kill someone.

Rule 7: Self-Antagging

Murder is not acceptable for non-antags. Killing should only be done in extreme self-defense, during an authorized execution, or in any situation Security can employ lethal force. If you wish to murder, or at least seriously injure, someone, Administrator permission is required;

Violence capable of inflicting serious damage to someone, especially anything that places them into a critical state, is reserved for Antagonists. Outside Self-Defense, this kind of violence is not permitted;

Self-defense is allowed to the extent of saving your own life. Putting someone into Critical Condition is considered self-defense only if they attempted to severely hurt/kill you. Preemptively disabling someone, responding with disproportionate force, or hitting someone while they are already down, is not self-defense;

Kicking someone while they are down is not self defence - that’s just vengeance. While a few extra clicks can happen in the heat of combat, rendering someone unable to get back up may be treated as murder. There are no “castle doctrine” or “stand your ground” laws here.

 

 

Myself and 3 other admins were going over it, and I took it upon myself to contact you.

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[2022-02-02T07:55:16] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): Hey there, mind answering a question?

[2022-02-02T07:55:21] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Sure

[2022-02-02T07:55:34] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): So why did you go to medical, and pull someone out of a cryo pod into the hallway and then lasered them to death?

[2022-02-02T07:55:51] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: ESC nearly murdered myself, the HoS, the blueshield, and officer and the xenobiologist in xeno

[2022-02-02T07:56:06] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I was in serious crit and I was trying to bring him to the brig for execute

[2022-02-02T07:56:12] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: He had an accomplice trying to save him

[2022-02-02T07:56:21] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): Are you security?

[2022-02-02T07:56:25] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Who was an assistant, I thought the one holding him there was the assistant who was in xeno

[2022-02-02T07:56:43] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: So I grabbed him trying to get ESC to security because they were dead or dealing with spiders

[2022-02-02T07:56:59] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Shot him when I realized I wasn't gonna make it

[2022-02-02T07:57:15] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): Again though, are you Security? Because you were all the way somewhere else when he was in medical, ran all the way there, pulled him out of a cryo pod, someone tried to stop you since he was in crit, and you started field executing him.

[2022-02-02T07:57:26] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I had JUST gotten up from surgery

[2022-02-02T07:57:31] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: From him nearly killing me

[2022-02-02T07:57:37] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): So you were validhunting.

[2022-02-02T07:57:45] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I don't understand

[2022-02-02T07:58:00] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: he put me in surgery

[2022-02-02T07:58:10] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: i woke up, then saw him there in medbay loose, someone trying to res him

[2022-02-02T07:58:11] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): That gives you no right to hop up, and field execute him.

[2022-02-02T07:58:14] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2/: I can't talk

[2022-02-02T07:58:18] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I was unable to speak

[2022-02-02T07:58:20] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): "It is only the job of Security to stop Antagonists. If you are not a member of Security, then hunting Antagonists is not something you should be doing. You may not drop your job, or go out of your way, to hunt Antagonists."

[2022-02-02T07:58:28] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I was not going out of my way to hunt him

[2022-02-02T07:58:43] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: He directly attempted to murder myself, my subordinates and several command

[2022-02-02T07:58:47] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): You literally were, you got up from surgery, ran to the cryo pod, pulled him out, and then field executed him when someone tried to stop you.

[2022-02-02T07:58:52] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: If I could've spoken to security to get him, I would have

[2022-02-02T07:58:54] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): So you are receiving a warning for this.

[2022-02-02T07:59:26] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Can you define for me what would be "not going out of my way" to stop him?

[2022-02-02T07:59:30] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: For the future

[2022-02-02T07:59:42] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): Read the rules, and it will explain it.

[2022-02-02T07:59:51] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I have read them thoroughly but I am asking for clarification

[2022-02-02T08:00:04] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): "If you want to hunt antags, then there is an entire department for that: security. We attempt to balance things around security and their rules of engagement and equipment. If everyone lynches antags as soon as discovered (especially with the tools available to science, engineering, robotics, lavaland tools, etc), then the game is incredibly difficult for antags."

 

So that was me giving you two clarifications, one from the main rules themselves, and one from the advanced rules that hold the clarifications. That you field executing an antag is not acceptable or allowed, it breaks our rules. You then asked to talk over discord.

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[2022-02-02T08:00:24] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Mind if I talk with you on discord?

[2022-02-02T08:00:28] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): No.

[2022-02-02T08:00:37] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: No you don't mind or no you won't talk on discord?

[2022-02-02T08:01:25] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): I will not talk about a situation over discord, where nothing is logged for references. If you have something to say, you say it here, otherwise, the warning stands. You are the RD.. you are not a member of Security, you may not go out of your way to drag someone out of medical, and field execute him.

[2022-02-02T08:02:24] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Ok, I will seek advice from others. Appreciate your time and I apologize for causing a stir for you

 

You then went to cryo. Previously before this, when you died from the crit, started trying to defend yourself in deadchat, saying the only reason you did it was because Esc was marked as execute.. something you had NO knowledgable about from two things;

1) You had no hud sunglasses or any security eyeware, you had no idea Esc was set to execute

2) This line right here;

On 2/2/2022 at 8:35 AM, Auce said:

overhear that they are set to execute

Only one person made mention of that, and you were unconscious when they said it.

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[2022-02-02T07:51:30] SAY: (Ferro V1) (141,114,2): they are set to execute

[2022-02-02T07:51:30] ATTACK: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)(140,111,2) against : Fallen unconscious

 

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[2022-02-02T07:53:18] DEADCHAT: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt) (0,0,0): Esc

[2022-02-02T07:53:22] DEADCHAT: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt) (143,110,2): You almost killed me in xeno

[2022-02-02T07:53:27] DEADCHAT: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt) (142,110,2): You were set to execute

[2022-02-02T07:53:28] DEADCHAT: (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro) (140,113,2): I was in cuffs, my dude.

[2022-02-02T07:53:34] DEADCHAT: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt) (141,109,2): you hit me with your desword

[2022-02-02T07:53:34] DEADCHAT: (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro) (138,111,2): I was in cuffs the whole time.

[2022-02-02T07:53:35] DEADCHAT: (Moi) (140,107,2): You have zero right to shoot someone to death as RD.

[2022-02-02T07:53:37] DEADCHAT: (Moi) (140,107,2): Period.

[2022-02-02T07:53:40] DEADCHAT: (Braxton Kemerer) (138,111,2): RD isn't security

[2022-02-02T07:53:50] DEADCHAT: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt) (139,111,2): They were set to execute and the assistant was trying to save them?

[2022-02-02T07:53:55] DEADCHAT: (Moi) (0,0,0): You literally stole them from medbay and shot them to death.

[2022-02-02T07:53:59] DEADCHAT: (Moi) (0,0,0): That's nothing but validhunting.

[2022-02-02T07:54:00] DEADCHAT: (Moi) (0,0,0): Period.

[2022-02-02T07:54:01] DEADCHAT: Exavere (142,105,2): Yikers my guy. 

[2022-02-02T07:54:06] DEADCHAT: (Braxton Kemerer) (138,111,2): RD is not Security

[2022-02-02T07:54:20] DEADCHAT: (Eszke 'ESC' Iskuro) (138,111,2): I am set to "execute", officers were actually trying to arrest me.

[2022-02-02T07:54:42] DEADCHAT: (Moi) (146,106,2): I set Eszke to execute because he could remove his status. Common practice. simple as.

 

After three players also told you that what you did was validhunting, and our convo, you sent in another ahelp. Wanting a conversation with another admin about the whole situation.

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[2022-02-02T08:10:34] ADMIN: Adminhelp: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): Hey folks, can I have a conversation with one of you re: this round? I'm cryoed and ghosted - heard by 4 non-AFK admins.

[2022-02-02T08:11:08] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): If this is about the situation earlier, no. You've been given your warning, now you are trying to admin hop to find an answer you seek.

[2022-02-02T08:11:51] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Abydos, as I said before I just want to know what should have been done differently

[2022-02-02T08:12:02] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): Tell Security, and let them handle it.

[2022-02-02T08:12:07] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I was unable to speak

[2022-02-02T08:12:26] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): That gives no justification to pulling someone out of a CRYO pod, when they are in CRIT, and when you enter crit because you refused to get surgery done, field execute him.

[2022-02-02T08:12:35] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: They were not in a cryo pod, they were in a sleeper

2022-02-02T08:12:53] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): They were in a cryo pod, because I literally see everything that happened to them. They were put in a cryo pod by a medical doctor, you pulled them out.

[2022-02-02T08:12:54] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I didn't refuse to get surgery done, a spider attacked us mid surgery

[2022-02-02T08:13:10] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Where is the cryo pod in medbay???

[2022-02-02T08:13:15] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: They were in a sleeper

[2022-02-02T08:14:04] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): "02:01:15 Defense (Eszke "ESC" Iskuro)(?)(A) (FLW) (-92.4212: 51 - 0 - 0 - 141.421) put into a cryo cell at (148,113,2)."

[2022-02-02T08:14:13] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): "02:02:16 Defense (Eszke "ESC" Iskuro)(?)(A) (FLW) (-744.421: 720 - 0 - 19 - 105.421) Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/laser 5% blocked Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)(?) (FLW) (-67: 165 - 2 - 0 - 0) (134,128,2) (JMP)"

[2022-02-02T08:14:22] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Do you have the log for where I pulled them from?

[2022-02-02T08:14:30] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Because it was definitely from the sleeper in medbay

[2022-02-02T08:15:03] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): They were in a cryo pod and were pulled out, you then dragged them and shot them. You are not Security, you are never allowed to murder another player outside of extreme self defense, and that was not self defense. That was murder.

[2022-02-02T08:15:28] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Abydos, I am not like tyring to change anything about what happened, or what you did. I don't have a problem with what you are saying to me

[2022-02-02T08:15:46] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2/: I feel like we need to deescalate. I'm not lying when I said I pulled him out of the sleeper in medbay

[2022-02-02T08:16:11] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: The assistant dragged him to the nanomed plus outside of virology

[2022-02-02T08:16:13] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): If you're saying there's nothing else to change or go over, then there's literally nothing to discuss. You murdered someone, you were warned, that's the end of it.

[2022-02-02T08:16:28] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Ok, like I asked before, can you forward this to a different admin so I can ask them?

[2022-02-02T08:16:32] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): No.

[2022-02-02T08:17:31] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Alright, again I appreciate your time. Not at all satisfied with your lack of engagement and refusal to respond to my asking for clarificaiton but I accept

[2022-02-02T08:17:44] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I will post on the forums and hopefully someone can help me there

[2022-02-02T08:18:01] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): I literally clarified everything to you, including the rules that you broke. Now you are trying to admin hop to find an answer that you are seeking to defend yourself, that's not how it works.

[2022-02-02T08:18:19] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: What do you mean admin hop, I am so confused

[2022-02-02T08:18:32] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I am asking to speak with someone who has the patience to explain to me in detail what I should have done differently

[2022-02-02T08:18:43] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I'm not trying to change what happened or what your ruling was

[2022-02-02T08:18:53] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I want to continue playing on the server without having future incidents

[2022-02-02T08:19:15] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: If you don't have the time or patience to explain it to me, this is fine. I just want to speak with someone who does.

[2022-02-02T08:19:23] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): Let me explain once more: You were brought to medical... you were having surgery done, you literally went out of surgery.. terror spider or not, and saw the antag who did the actions to you. Instead of telling Security by PDA, headset or the like, unable to speak or not.. you started dragging them when they were in crit out of medical. When someone else saw you and attempted to stop you, as you were dragging someone DYING away from medical.. you field executed them. You are not security, you had no right murdering another person who was not a threat.

[2022-02-02T08:19:57] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): I've quoted you the rules, and the clarification of those rules.. you are refusing to accept them as answers, and now trying to seek another admin to pick up on something they say, to point and go "The other admin was wrong then". That's not how it works.

[2022-02-02T08:20:01] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I completely disagree that they are not a threat, they had an accomplice and had adrenals in the fight in Xeno. If they got back up they are just as dangerous

[2022-02-02T08:20:16] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): Then that is for SECURITY to deal with, NOT the research director.

[2022-02-02T08:20:17] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Why are you assuming I'm after "the other admin was wrong then"?

[2022-02-02T08:20:35] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Abydos, if it is for security to deal with

[2022-02-02T08:20:46] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I attempted to drag them to the brig for their execution that they are labeled for

[2022-02-02T08:20:52] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: I couldn't speak to get a sec officer to do it

[2022-02-02T08:21:01] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: And I was dying because of the circumstances

[2022-02-02T08:21:06] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): You didn't even know they were marked for execution, until AFTER, you ghosted and saw the execution. You had no sec huds.

[2022-02-02T08:21:12] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: No, that is not true

[2022-02-02T08:21:21] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: While I was in medbay I heard "they are marked for execution"

[2022-02-02T08:21:37] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): Then Security executes them and deals with them, NOT, you.

[2022-02-02T08:22:12] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt): End of discussion, I've explained to you twice now what you did wrong, if you flood ahelps anymore, I will mute you from them for the rest of this round.

[2022-02-02T08:22:15] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Alright. I can see I'm not going to agree with this and that's just how it is unfortunately. Sorry again for causing trouble.

[2022-02-02T08:22:49] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Your characterization of me is completely off the wall again, how was I flooding ahelp? I have done it once since you messaged me initially

[2022-02-02T08:22:58] ADMIN: PM: Auce/(Magnus Von Oberhardt)->Abydos2: Goodnight

I explained the whole situation time, again, and again.. everytime, you refused to see why you were in the wrong or trying to point to some insane justification as to why you should be allowed to field execute him.

1) If he's set to execute, it was because the Magistrate did it as he had sec hud, which the magistrate confirmed in deadchat.. it is common practice for Security to mark people who are capable of removing their own status, as execute, as only Captain / HoS / Magistrate can remove it. Even if he is truly marked as execute, you do not get to do the sentence, that is for Security.

2) Him being an antag, does not change any of the rules in any fashion, you may not lynch him on the spot which is exactly what you did.

3) You trying to put some "Justification that I was dying so I had to kill him", in a situation that YOU forced. You knew you were dying.. yet you were dragging him to the brig, when someone attempted to stop you, you field executed him.

4) Him being dangerous, changes nothing. Again.. only Security can hunt antags, not the research director. He was not a threat, he was in crit, and medical is allowed to save him to then hand him over to Security.

[Complaint against Abydos/ forum account deletion request for me]

1 hour ago, Boxy said:

Not really? i mean have you ever seen that enforced? ive played characters that were purely gameplay not roleplay and i was not told jack shit,  and from the colorful cast of characters we get on the station every day my character looked relatively sane

Yes, admins enforce it and it's within the rules. We have had plenty of characters who have told to cut things out, two examples;

One from yesterday, where a Clown took the name "Honkler" and started sprouting nazi stuff, literally, copy and pasting Joseph Goebbels speeches against jews, only replacing "Jews" with "Mimes". Admins saw it in poor taste, players saw it poor taste, and he was told to stop.

A similar situation very long time ago, where someone was running around and only screaming "Nya~" every time, that was the only thing they stated. They were cluwned and also told to cut it out.

 

There's a huge difference between someone having a hair style, or color style.. which speaks nothing of their character or personality. Someone attending a job and still doing their job, versus someone who is running around screaming "Nya~" as a Security Officer. Would any police station in any county, willingly hire someone, talking like a baby and expecting to uphold the law if they are talking to people like "Nya~ Going to send yu to pwison"? No, they'd be laughed at and no one would take them seriously.

To claim "Sure it's in the rules but it's not enforced" when A) It's in the rules and B) Certainly enforced.. makes no sense.

1 hour ago, Boxy said:

As a security guard irl ive worked on both federal projects and in a corporate "A highly advanced" cultural facility that almost every tourist visits in my country ill dispute that, some of my co-workers irl are and have been complete deepshits and make  racist cringe baby tigiri katana chan look like a calm collected proffesional,  I am frankly considering  starting at tumbler blog about shit my  deeply religious huge conspiracy nutt afternoon shift co-worker says. Ofcourse people don't show the crazy in job interviews but if you have ever worked in a big industry with many people you have to interact with daily  i tell you  your hopes for humanity would be lost.

And this means it's acceptable to ignore our server rules and act in this way? Are you saying you ignore your own jobs rules or the laws of society cause you don't see them enforced?

1 hour ago, Boxy said:

Hell tigiri katana chan is inspired and a parody of some other people ive worked security shifts  with (To the point i directly quote them some times)  and a parody of Japanese racisim and cultural purity.  

Cool, it's not accepted here. We got no interest or business with, from a roleplay and rules point that states we do not want people to play stereotypical racist characters. This breaks another rule, if you had read them.

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Creating a character whose personality is especially abrasive can fall under this too. We don’t expect everyone to hold hands, skip and sing together and be best friends, but hiding behind “its what my character is like” isn’t an excuse - you get to choose your characters personality. Try to make a character that makes the game fun for everyone. A good reference for the problems with "it's what my character would do" can be found https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/37103/what-is-my-guy-syndrome-and-how-do-i-handle-it/37105#37105

 

1 hour ago, Boxy said:

Again saying stuff like "Did you know vox wile being 30% of the population comit 70% of the crime is a direct reference to a post ive seen of the forum satirizing turning point USA and again this character is a bad person and a bad character i don't want them to look legitimate in any way they are meant to be a sad pathetic lil cringe baby.

See above. No one is interested in interacting, playing, speaking with, hiring, or allowing anyone to work if they are going to talk like a baby, quote anime, act racist and literally be a stereotype. 

1 hour ago, Boxy said:

First theer was no-one in the HoP line over then HoP and Yeah i did what of it? its not against the rules to lie or make up storys in character. As you have seen after i terminated my idea i headed straight for cryo and got banned just as i was getting in the pod.   the residual nya talk was as i was leaving the game with that character to permanently erase them as you asked i just kept playing the character on my way to cryo.

I told you to do two things;

1) To cut it out with the Nya talk. You still did it. I was quite clear and specifically told you "Cut the Nya stuff out". There is no room for interpretation, confusion, miscommunication or the like. I told you to stop and you still did it. That is deliberately ignoring an admin and continuing to do an action.

2) I told you also specifically to go to cryo. You said you wanted to terminate your ID and throw yourself out an airlock, I told you no.. you went and lied saying CC said to terminate you while still saying Nya. That's double ignoring an admin.

1 hour ago, Boxy said:

I hate my ironic parody tigiri katana chan to be the hill i die on i really do but frankly this really felt like over-reach from your part  when i played regularly we had characters like that if not much worse on the server all the time and they got no lash back.

Just because you don't see admins dealing with characters who are over the line, in terms of name, flavor text, how they are acting.. does not mean the rule is not enforced, not does it mean you get to act like it doesn't exist. It certainly does exist, it is there in the rules, and admins enforce it. 

Here's a few more examples of people we have had to deal with, with this rule in terms of name, acting, flavor, ect;

"joined with the name "Diksie Normus""
"joined the round with the name "Space Cola" informed they needed to change it, asked for "screwdriver" next."
"Had the name Morvo The Greybeard,"
"Connected for the first time as the human "CHIKIBRIKI""
"Joined the game named "Jeffery Epstein""
"Warned for the usual gimmick of shouting "allah akbar" and talking about explosions, bombs and plasma."
"Joined with name "Rosey :D""
"Joined with a name "Hughanus""
"Used Baldy McGrey as a name"
"warned for making an amongus reference"
We got thousands of others, but you get the idea.

1 hour ago, Boxy said:

You didn't really ban me for the character i was playing and wouldn't have the precedent to,  you banned me because instead of immediately stopping i took the character down wile playing it even if i did it per your instructions of cryo instead of airlock jump.

Again, I told you to stop an action and go to cryo... which you did not do. You still continued the action that you were told to stop doing.

[Complaint against Abydos/ forum account deletion request for me]

Admin's version of events:

You were running around as a Security Officer, calling everyone "Senpai" and nearly ending every single sentence with the word "Nya~". Even when I told you to stop, you continued to do so. I had also told you, not to suicide or kill yourself but to go to cryo.. instead, you went and lied to people that CC ordered your ID to be terminated (Making you non-crew) so you could die while continuing the "Nya~" talk.

Admin's reasoning for actions:

I'm going to take the chance to address sections of your complaint that you brought up;

45 minutes ago, Boxy said:

I really don't think any rules were broken here i was just playing a character that is a butt of a joke cringe baby in a medium rp server like many people do.

Paradise is a Medium roleplay server, we don't expect you to know every section of the lore, the universe, the world or the like... we do however expect you to play a character that fits. You are an employee of a Corporation, and no corporation would hire anyone calling everyone "Senpai" and going "Nya~" at every second. Quoted from the advance rules;

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You are expected to roleplay within the universe the lore has established. You’re playing as someone who has either been hired by NT, or permitted to visit one of their more advanced research facilities. We don’t expect you to know every detail of the lore - especially as it’s subject to change. Your character should be one who can conceivably exist within the setting. NT would not hire someone who never does their job properly, or is unable to pass a job interview.

No one would hire a Security Guard who, as you claimed "Was brought up on baby talk and anime"... quite frankly, that is akin to mental disorder. NT wouldn't even allow a civilian who acts like that to visit a highly advanced, research facility. Infact, looking over the logs, you were even approaching sexual content by telling people when you were bit by a spider that it "bit you in the sensitive area" and sprouting racist like memes.

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[2021-08-27T15:52:40] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (50,149,2): (Security) 'Tigiri katana chan boarded the ship.'

[2021-08-27T15:56:37] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (120,184,2):  'Oh he is aproaching me'

[2021-08-27T15:57:08] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (119,184,2):  'An other kill for sakura katana chan nyaw'

[2021-08-27T15:57:56] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (119,183,2):  'I must go to the doctory nya'

[2021-08-27T15:58:06] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (119,183,2):  'It bit me in my sensitive area nya'

[2021-08-27T15:58:55] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (129,136,2):  'help nya'

[2021-08-27T15:59:04] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (130,128,2):  'It bit me nya'

[2021-08-27T15:59:16] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (140,114,2):  'Thanks captain nyaw'

[2021-08-27T15:59:59] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (142,112,2):  'Thanks doctor chan nyaw'

[2021-08-27T16:00:26] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (142,111,2):  'Why would i want that doctor senpai nya'

[2021-08-27T16:00:59] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (142,111,2):  'I have big spiders to fight nya'

[2021-08-27T16:01:08] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (142,111,2):  'I must turn into my true form'

[2021-08-27T16:01:12] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (142,111,2):  'and save the station'

[2021-08-27T16:01:14] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (142,111,2):  'Nya'

[2021-08-27T16:01:36] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (128,139,2):  'Ouch nya'

[2021-08-27T16:02:22] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (129,113,2): (Security) 'i need a new gun to achive me true form nya'

[2021-08-27T16:03:03] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (113,178,2):  'Which vox nya'

[2021-08-27T16:03:44] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (109,174,2):  'Did you know vox despite being only 30% of the ship population comit 70% of crime'

[2021-08-27T16:10:11] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (110,174,2):  'Its finnaly working nya'

[2021-08-27T16:10:20] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (110,174,2):  'who would you like to report nyyaw'

[2021-08-27T16:11:34] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (110,174,2):  'I have him set  to arrest nya'

[2021-08-27T16:13:21] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (119,179,2):  'Yes nya?'

[2021-08-27T16:13:36] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (126,179,2):  'i already'

[2021-08-27T16:13:38] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (126,179,2):  'have mine'

[2021-08-27T16:13:39] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (126,179,2):  'nya'

[2021-08-27T16:15:04] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'This xeno battered a man with a batt nya'

[2021-08-27T16:15:25] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'According to report voxy did nya'

[2021-08-27T16:15:49] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'Oh voxy chan is in deep shit nyao nya'

[2021-08-27T16:16:18] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'Tough story to believe nya nya'

[2021-08-27T16:16:37] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'Thats something some one who just hit someone else with bat would say nya'

[2021-08-27T16:16:44] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'Is pwison for you nya'

[2021-08-27T16:16:57] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'Half sentence nya?'

[2021-08-27T16:17:17] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'To throw us off from the crime nya.'

[2021-08-27T16:17:28] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'Assult reduced sentence nya?'

[2021-08-27T16:17:34] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'right warden chan nya?'

[2021-08-27T16:17:52] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (127,174,2):  'Solomon is the acuser'

[2021-08-27T16:18:02] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (126,174,2):  'Yes sir warden senpai nya'

This was when I took notice of it and checked your logs, seeing the multiple amount of times with babytalk, nya and stuff. I told you quite specifically to cut it out.

Spoiler

[2021-08-27T16:18:12] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana): Cut it out with the "Nya" stuff

[2021-08-27T16:18:30] ADMIN: PM: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana)->Abydos2: Can i not play a cringey character? aww man fine

[2021-08-27T16:18:35] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana): Absolutely not, so cut it out.

[2021-08-27T16:19:19] ADMIN: PM: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana)->Abydos2: And i was just getting used to the speech partern.  fiine.

I figured that would be the end of it, I would warn you, get you to stop and focus on other things. Instead, you continued.

Spoiler

[2021-08-27T16:20:46] ADMIN: PM: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana)->Abydos2: I have not played in a wile is there a cohesive guide to characters allowed and not allowed?

[2021-08-27T16:21:23] ADMIN: PM: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana)->Abydos2: I pretty much remeber making this character to be a dumb xeno-racist extreme loyalist butt of the joke character

[2021-08-27T16:21:31] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana): "Having an “insane” character does not change anything. If it’s not permissible normally, saying you are “insane” does not make for justification. Employees should be reasonably able to pass a psych eval. Additionally, acting violent or “lolrandom” because you are “insane” is an incredibly unrealistic and frankly offensive view of mental health."

[2021-08-27T16:22:06] ADMIN: PM: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana)->Abydos2: Oh no they are not meant to act insane,  they are just meant to act like extreamly sheltered and raised on anime

[2021-08-27T16:22:20] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana): Again, no. It is not allowed.

[2021-08-27T16:22:38] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana): No company would hire you, if you're calling them senpai and going "Nya" every second.

[2021-08-27T16:23:30] ADMIN: PM: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana)->Abydos2: True, i might as well kill off this character now they have no depth they are just a joke and maybe i can play one of my more serious ones next time i log on

Again, thinking that would be the end of it. But you continued on once again.

Spoiler

[2021-08-27T16:24:17] ADMIN: PM: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana)->Abydos2: Ill pretend i got a notification of being fired and leave the airlock saying nya and die

[2021-08-27T16:24:26] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana): No.

[2021-08-27T16:24:39] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana): If you wanna do that, go to cryo, cause you will not be wasting a security job-slot.

[2021-08-27T16:24:44] ADMIN: PM: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana)->Abydos2: Anyway i can fit into the story this character being pernamently de-comisioned

[2021-08-27T16:24:54] ADMIN: PM: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana)->Abydos2: Good point

I told you quite specifically to not do that in any way, and to go to cyro. Now, not only did you ignore what I told you to do (There by ignoring what an admin told you to do), you not only continued to do "Nya", but then lied to various people at the HoP line about how CC ordered you to be fired.

Spoiler

[2021-08-27T16:26:41] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (100,120,2):  'hello nya'

[2021-08-27T16:26:47] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana): What did I just say?

[2021-08-27T16:27:08] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (100,120,2):  'central command told me to decomsion'

[2021-08-27T16:27:34] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (100,120,2):  'cause it found out i was constantly using nya in my speech'

[2021-08-27T16:27:48] SAY: Gamedevwifu/(Tigiri Katana) (100,120,2):  'i need you to terminate my id nya'

I told you to stop doing something, you continued to do it and then lied to various people.

45 minutes ago, Boxy said:

in this case i feel like abydos was either having a bad day or having some probably earned animosity against me for past banst  went on what i perceived as a power trip.  Now what he said would make sense in a high rp server but not a mid rp server.

I warned you multiple times to stop something, and you continued to do so. In a Medium RP setting, no one would hire you if you're going to talk like a baby, using Nya, chan and calling everyone senpai. Again, quoted from the advance rules;

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The original “Medium RP” intent was devised upon creation, as being a middle ground between the “HRP” of Bay12 and the “LRP” of Goon. The roleplay should be taken seriously, but not overly so, nor should you be elitist with your roleplay.

Your character fits within a LRP setting, such as Goon or Bee. Not a Medium such as Paradise, Colonial Marines and such.

Acknowledgement of wrongdoing or disputing of:

I dispute this obviously from the lack of information they didn't put and trying to paint this as me banning them on the spot, when I gave you plenty of chances and you ignored them at every turn.

[Grug Step Down From Big Rock: Part Dos]

Hope ya find the dream job you want! We'll write you up a referral.

[Misjudment of ERT Response early on in Cult Round.]

Info for the headmins and as a timeline of events;

Server started 20:52

[2021-07-19T20:52:51] Starting up. Round ID is 27783

Round started 20:58

[2021-07-19T20:58:06] DEBUG: Manifest creation took 1.3s

Engine started delamming around 21:06

[2021-07-19T21:06:03] SAY: B.U.T.L.E.R. (143,23,2): Please note that the engine is delaminating.

Cult got spotted at 21:12.

[2021-07-19T21:12:30] SAY: Y.U.C.K.U.S. (153,180,2): (headset) 'CULT'

[2021-07-19T21:12:37] SAY: Andra Haltheart (121,112,2): (headset) 'Where?'

Red Alert triggered at 21:17

[2021-07-19T21:17:10] GAME: Richard Wallace triggered and Thorium confirmed event Red Alert

Engine exploded at 21:18

[2021-07-19T21:18:07] GAME: Explosion with size (17.5, 37, 39, 0) in area Supermatter Engine  (113,65,2) 

ERT request sent at 21:20

[2021-07-19T21:20:34] GAME: Dayana triggered and Feasel Easel confirmed event Emergency Response Team

ERT accepted at 21:21

[2021-07-19T21:21:28] ADMIN: Norwest dispatched a Red ERT. Slots: commander: 1, engineering: 3 and paranormal: 2

Command announcement as they called the ERT at 21:22

[2021-07-19T21:22:40] GAME: Dayana has made Priority Announcement: Priority Announcement - So. Engine failed. HoS died. We are getting an ERT. There is a cult. - Dayana (Captain)

ERT arrive at the station at 21:24

[2021-07-19T21:24:25] SAY: Sergeant Major Wood (21,79,1):  'Bridge first.'

[2021-07-19T21:24:29] SAY: Sergeant Major Wood (37,127,2):  'I want to speak to the CE.'

All cult members got arrested by Security;

Ryker Pierce

Security aware of him at 21:19

[2021-07-19T21:19:37] SAY: Ivan Leech (152,178,2): (Security) 'rune touched by Ryker Pierce'

Status set at 21:20

[2021-07-19T21:20:04] ADMIN: Rurik Varlim set secstatus of  Ryker Pierce to *Arrest*, comment: Cult

Arrested 21:29

[2021-07-19T21:29:00] ATTACK: Valeria Reichard (141,176,2) against Ryker Pierce (ANTAG)(142,174,2): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/energy/electrode

[2021-07-19T21:29:07] ATTACK: Valeria Reichard (142,175,2) against Ryker Pierce (ANTAG)(142,174,2): Handcuffed (the zipties)

Malo

Tried to kidnap a Security Officer at 21:24

[2021-07-19T21:24:18] ATTACK: Malo (ANTAG)(130,146,2) against Goobina (131,146,2): used a cult spell (Stunning Aura) on

Officer turned the tables and arrested him at 21:24

[2021-07-19T21:24:32] ATTACK: Goobina (128,146,2) against Malo (ANTAG)(129,146,2): Attacked with stunbaton (HARM) (BRUTE)

[2021-07-19T21:24:37] ATTACK: Goobina (128,146,2) against Malo (ANTAG)(129,146,2): stunned

[2021-07-19T21:24:46] ATTACK: Goobina (129,146,2) against Malo (ANTAG)(129,146,2): stunned

[2021-07-19T21:24:54] ATTACK: Goobina (129,146,2) against Malo (ANTAG)(129,146,2): Handcuffed (the handcuffs)

Jadon Carter

Tried to aid Malo and failed at 21:24

[2021-07-19T21:24:34] ATTACK: Goobina (129,146,2) against Jadon Carter (ANTAG)(130,146,2): Attacked with stunbaton (HARM) (BRUTE)

[2021-07-19T21:24:38] ATTACK: Goobina (129,146,2) against Jadon Carter (ANTAG)(130,146,2): stunned

[2021-07-19T21:24:44] ATTACK: Goobina (129,146,2) against Jadon Carter (ANTAG)(130,146,2): Handcuffed (the handcuffs)

Poppy Seed

Arrested by Security at 21:35

[2021-07-19T21:35:09] ATTACK: Anna Stroble (71,103,2) against Poppy Seed (ANTAG)(71,105,2): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/energy/electrode

[2021-07-19T21:35:15] ATTACK: Anna Stroble (70,104,2) against Poppy Seed (ANTAG)(71,105,2): stunned

[2021-07-19T21:35:21] ATTACK: Philippe Collins (71,104,2) against Poppy Seed (ANTAG)(71,105,2): Handcuffed (the handcuffs)

All 3 cultists caught within the span of 4-5 minutes between each arrest at 21:24 to 21:29, two by the same security officer and the third by a separate security officer. ERT had nothing to do with any arrests, as they had just arrived by the time of 2 arrests and had no hand in the third or fourth arrest. The last cultist, was caught by Security at 21:35.

Jadon and Malo deconverted by Paranormal ERT at 21:26 (With some choice words from Jadon)

[2021-07-19T21:26:14] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (123,148,2):  'WAIT'

[2021-07-19T21:26:16] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (123,148,2):  'WHAT THE FUCK'

[2021-07-19T21:26:20] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (122,147,2):  'ARE YOU KIDDING'

[2021-07-19T21:26:22] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (122,147,2):  'AHAHAHAHAHA'

[2021-07-19T21:26:24] SAY: Master Sergeant Reichard (122,146,2):  'bee gone of cultist'

[2021-07-19T21:26:31] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (122,147,2):  'Are you kidding'

[2021-07-19T21:26:32] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (122,147,2):  'Fucking'

[2021-07-19T21:26:35] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (122,147,2):  'PARANORMAL ERT'

[2021-07-19T21:26:37] SAY: Master Sergeant Feufer (123,147,2):  'inquisitors yes'

[2021-07-19T21:26:39] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (122,147,2):  'For -four- cultists?'

[2021-07-19T21:26:42] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (122,147,2):  'Oh'

[2021-07-19T21:26:48] SAY: Boidca/(Jadon Carter) (122,147,2):  'For some reason I need to cyro so suddenly'

[2021-07-19T21:27:05] SAY: B.U.T.L.E.R. (143,23,2): Jadon Carter (Assistant) has entered long-term storage.

Can refer to deadchat that Norwest posted above.

New Cult spawned in at 21:30 as all the original cult members were wanted / arrested / deconverted.

[2021-07-19T21:30:42] ADMIN: Norwest tried making a Cult with One-Click-Antag

Ryker Pierce deconverted by Paranormal ERT at 21:31

[2021-07-19T21:31:01] ADMIN: Master Sergeant Feufer set secstatus of  Ryker Pierce to Released, comment: De-culted

Poppy Seed deconverted by Security at 21:37

[2021-07-19T21:37:24] ATTACK: Rurik Varlim (126,174,2) against Poppy Seed (ANTAG)(127,173,2): Fed the officer's mug. Reagents: water (50u)

While Engineering and Commander was working on the Engine, Paranormal ERT were stunning each other at the holodeck from 21:41 to 21:49. Effectively doing nothing against the new cult.

[2021-07-19T21:41:12] SAY: Master Sergeant Reichard (121,172,2):  'well'

[2021-07-19T21:41:17] SAY: Master Sergeant Reichard (121,172,2):  'we did our job'

[2021-07-19T21:41:25] SAY: Master Sergeant Feufer (119,171,2):  'well if this wasn't a mixed team'

[2021-07-19T21:41:27] SAY: Master Sergeant Feufer (119,171,2):  'we would leave'

[2021-07-19T21:41:34] SAY: Master Sergeant Feufer (118,172,2):  'but the engineers are working too'

[2021-07-19T21:41:36] SAY: Master Sergeant Reichard (117,171,2):  'want to fight in holodeck?'

[2021-07-19T21:41:41] SAY: Master Sergeant Feufer (118,172,2):  'maybe I do'

Paranormal ERTs were pulled out at 21:49, other ERT remained to work on the engine still.

[2021-07-19T21:49:44] ADMIN: Matttheficus replied to Master Sergeant Feufer's Centcomm message with the message Inquisitor, you are being recalled for a mission in another Sector. Please return to the Trurl for further tasking..

[2021-07-19T21:49:53] ADMIN: Matttheficus replied to Master Sergeant Reichard's Centcomm message with the message Inquisitor, you are being recalled for a mission in another Sector. Please return to the Trurl for further tasking..

So the timeline for ERT goes, they arrived, the Paranormal hanged around at processing, barely leaving it until 21:41, a total of 17 minutes since they arrived, never actively fought, engaged or went after the cult. They then played about in the holodeck, disarming, stunning, cuffing and all each other.. then went back to CC. While Commander and Engineers remained to work on the engine. Effectively, the ERT did zero to the cult. They made no arrests, had no interactions with the cult outside of the paranormal deconverts, never set anyones status and barely spoke a word to Security or on their channel.

If anything the Paranormal ERT were getting in the way of Security and Command;

[2021-07-19T21:32:39] SAY:Master Sergeant Reichard (108,110,2):  'CC orders'

[2021-07-19T21:32:46] ATTACK: Master Sergeant Reichard (ANTAG)(108,106,2) against Thorium (109,105,2): Pushed onto a table (NTR)

[2021-07-19T21:33:45] SAY: Master Sergeant Reichard (125,134,2):  'BS'

[2021-07-19T21:33:51] SAY: Master Sergeant Reichard (125,134,2):  'urgetn business'

[2021-07-19T21:33:53] SAY: Master Sergeant Reichard (125,134,2):  'in bridge'

[2021-07-19T21:34:06] ATTACK: Master Sergeant Reichard (ANTAG)(115,137,2) against Dylan Neely (114,137,2): Pushed onto a table (Blueshield)

[2021-07-19T21:34:36] SAY: Master Sergeant Reichard (115,137,2):  'CC orders'

[2021-07-19T21:34:42] ATTACK: Master Sergeant Reichard (ANTAG)(115,136,2) against Dayana (114,137,2): Pushed onto a table (Captain)

[Clarification Needed]

To add onto Lightfire, this would account to rule 5 as well. If you pick a command role, you are expected to be serious, competent and play the role as intended.

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Choosing to play as a VIP (such as the Nanotrasen Representative), Head of Staff (such as Chief Medical Officer), or the station AI means you will be expected to play to a higher standard of roleplay, seriousness and competence. You may be Jobbaned from Command if you fail to meet these standards, or if you ignore your duties;

Intent: First of all, there are limited slots. If you pick a role and don’t do the job it’s intended for, then you’re blocking someone else from doing it and making the station suffer by not having another doctor/engineer/etc.

Command staff are held to a higher standard because of not just the importance of those roles, but because they can lead by example. If the Captain is being silly and memey, this will be reflected and imitated by the rest of the crew. We don’t expect command to be 100% serious all the time, but they do need to be more competent than other roles. This is especially because they are able to fire people from their departments.

Department heads are expected to oversee and manage their department. If you do not want to do any management, do not play these roles. You are not just a regular member with extra access.

Command and Security both have the ability to affect other players rounds highly, either through SoP or Space Law. Good knowledge and respect of the RP environment is required to not ruin the game for others.

 

[On the subject of Misunderstandings]

2 hours ago, ExGame said:

To this point on, only a single person is currently banned from the server. I don't like that you must specify that the person who was banned was an admin. He was not removed because he was on the staff team. He was kicked because he was largely inactive and did not get along with a lot of others members in the discord nor me. The ban came after he insulted me and the server in discord PMs.

I'll say that I am and was that person who was removed from the Discord, nor did I have any problems with anyone within that Discord. The only reason I was removed purely because

A) I was an admin
B) Most of the people within that discord, I had to personally deal with as an admin because they broke the rules.

That was literally the only reason I was removed, and you confirmed it yourself. Stating and quote "Most of it comes from the fact they don't like you based on things that happened on Paradise".

Multiple other people within that Discord hardly had anything to speak of, or with people there as half of the conversations boiled down to "Para bad, they banned me, staff bad, we should mass message Dumb to get him to go against Neca / Kyet". And yes, I will confirm at the time I was annoyed that me doing a job has me removed from a discord, banned and people attacking me on said discord because of me doing my job as an admin, enforcing the rules and refusing to turn a blind eye because I'm a Vox player.

I insulted you at the time, because the discord is nothing more as Neca puts it.. a place for two banned players to rally and act like they've done nothing wrong, constantly tell people to pick up where you lot left off with your species wars, telling people to message Dumb, telling people to downvote PRs and other things, while acting innocent. I got no time or chill to those who lie and play the victim. Especially from someone who calls me a self-insert, having a god complex because I don't run around screaming "kinies" and getting arrested every 5 minutes.

[Name Review : Sheriff Douglas]

The reason why I see it more as a title was three things;

The first was your flavor text, merely "oldschool".

The second was the way your character interacted with others. Tipping hats, blowing smoke rings, greeting everyone with a howdy, like the stereo types from movies and tv shows.

The third was your job, Detective. It definitely seemed more likely over the sheriff title from being in a job that surrounds it.

[Vox balance issues.]

9 hours ago, Djvoid225 said:

The vox players feel unrepresented and try to strike out, the admins refute such ideas.

 

Allow me to state one specific situations regarding this.

Whenever a PR, or some form of idea involving Vox that nerfs or touches stuff that affects them.. maintainers, the people coding it, the people supporting it, ect are bombarded by Vox players both in-game, discord and github. All purely because the PR touches Vox.

Whenever a PR buffs them, all the Vox players come out of the woodwork to support it, no matter what it is. Because it affects their race.

I play Vox... yet it's the community that makes me sick of playing Vox because they think being Vox allows them to do whatever they want, self-antag, act as if they are immune to all forms of punishment (Both IC and OOC, the amount of times I've seen "It's my nature as a Vox" or "That's how my Vox is"), aiding their "kins" when antag cause "Yaya kins helps kins", corruption (Such as refusing to arrest Vox, covering up for them, allowing them to escape or standing there and doing nothing for when a Vox antag is killing the Warden). The vox community is toxic in-game, and it's toxic out of game.

Now, you want to know why the Vox players are feeling unrepresented? Because the Vox community outright refuses to work with the staff team (Except for a very very tiny amount), hold their private complaining in their own discord and whenever a staff member in that discord attempts to tell them to bring it up to the staff or talk to the people doing the PRs.. those staff members are removed.

I was in the Vox discord, invited when I was originally a player. So I saw everything happening within that discord, from the general discussions.. to the calls of people throwing rants, demanding action and influencing other Vox players to continue where they picked up from being banned. When I became a staff member and tried to steer members of that community to go through proper channels, I find myself suddenly being banned from that discord for quote "Make people uncomfortable". If Vox players feel unrepresented, then perhaps they should stop acting like a cult of personality flocking around two members, and start actually talking to the staff.. instead of expecting banned players to speak for them as their "messiah".

2 hours ago, procdrone said:

My personal opinion on vox balance is, that the initial rework with EMP weakness removal and space proof removal etc. was inherently poorly designed. Vox unique features and perks were removed one by one without adequate replacement or rework. They are left in a very awkward place from what they once were.

The EMP weakness was removed because it was more or less the only thing that could counter a Vox who did nothing but hang out in space all round. It had unintended side-effects that even Fox disliked it.

Space proof along with other races (Such as plasma-man) was removed purely from a game view point. No race, right from the start, should be allowed to space walk with nothing effecting them / slowing them down, right from the get-go. A traitor plasma-man, vox, whatever steals the items he needs and then just sits in space the whole round. That's not engaging nor is it fun for either side..

Security side because there's only one person who can deal with em  properly, and that's the pod pilot (Could argue security hardsuits, but they are slow compared to someone without one and no slow drawback). If there's no pod pilot, or the pod pilot was taken out already.. then it's a win for the traitor automatically. Traitor side, you're sitting in space for 2 hours.. it's not engaging, it's not amusing, it's not fun. You may as well AFK on an asteroid and watch netflix if you're going to do that.

And the times a new player who rolls antag doesn't know about the space proof.. spaces the person, and they just come right back in 4 minutes screaming murder. No race should be pressure / cold resistance to/or have no draw back when in space.

There were plenty of ideas on adding to Vox when the original rework was done, but trying to make it work was another thing completely.

 

One thing I will point out from the document was the mention of Strange Reagent. SR works as intended.. there's 3 (4 if you include staff of resurrection) ways of bringing back the dead.

• You're within the time limit, manage to fix their damage and defib em.
• You clone them with the cloner. This includes removing their brain and putting them in a human/tajaran or such body.
• If neither are available, you fix the damage and pop em with SR.

SR is effectively the effects of cloning without waiting or the proper process. It will bring you back to life, but at the cost of some of your organs needing surgery. This is to counter people just making 300 pills of SR and only using SR to revive the dead.. if there was no draw back, medical wouldn't have anything to do cloning wise or surgery wise when using SR. Just because Vox's organs are considered to immune getting sick, does not mean they should be immune to SR's effects.

[People are born with different genetic disabilities, reflect that in-game!]

30 minutes ago, MattTheFicus said:

PS: Genetics moved rightfully to Science when?

Genetics are under both Science, with the Research Director and Medical, with the Chief Medical Officer (As genetics is both a science and medical thing).

And second with Sparks. People have the option to choose genetic issues if they want for the character they envision, forcing them into genetics for absolutely no reason other than it should happen isn't what anyone would like.

In-game, the year is 2563. Space travel, nanites, genetics and such are all wide spread and common place. Such as Vulp, who usually start out color-blind.

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 Finally, most are born with Deuteranopia, also known as red-green color blindness, though it is often corrected with modern science.

There's no point in forcing anyone to have stuff they never asked for, merely so genetics has something to do. It'd be like asking for people to start with broken bones or some other medical condition so medical doctors have something to do.

[Got banned by Admin mrsynnester after I opened a ticket for no reason]

2 minutes ago, 1jovemtr00 said:

I did questioned how the round was being treated and now I question the admin motives. Are we here to have fun and play accordingly, or are we here to do some sort of friends game that rules only matter when non mentors or non personal friends are involved?

The ban I took was absurd as I clearly stated I was gonna head out of the round and just let it pass by. I have all the prints.

 

To begin with as I was there for it;

1) You were entirely metagrudging a mentor over a ruling they did as the magistrate 2 weeks ago. And you are still metagrudging them from this day, such as this lovely reddit post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SS13/comments/l8chic/played_a_sec_officer_got_demoted_on_paradise/

Yes, the mentor has told us and shown us information to support this as you were going super hard on him for almost no reason.

Spoiler

[2021-02-13T13:58:02] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (101,172,2): (Security) 'Where is the tresspass charge on Shesi Izsair imprisonment?'

[2021-02-13T13:58:16] SAY: Ironhide (122,178,2): (Security) 'They trespassed?'

[2021-02-13T13:58:20] SAY: Matt Malvor (142,129,2): (Security) 'didnt get any note that they trespassed'

[2021-02-13T13:58:26] SAY: Matt Malvor (142,129,2): (Security) 'They were in the Laundry Room'

[2021-02-13T13:58:33] SAY: Matt Malvor (146,129,2): (Security) 'Public area'

[2021-02-13T13:58:44] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): i saw them

[2021-02-13T13:58:47] SAY: Iris (111,179,2): (Security) 'They broke into the bridge?'

[2021-02-13T13:58:48] SAY: Matt Malvor (172,129,2): (Security) 'there mindshielded testimony of that?'

[2021-02-13T13:58:50] SAY: Iris (111,179,2): (Security) 'That's major trespass, yeah.'

[2021-02-13T13:58:51] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (101,172,2): (Security) 'They broke in and stole it'

[2021-02-13T13:58:54] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): yes

[2021-02-13T13:58:55] SAY: Matt Malvor (166,129,2): (Security) 'if not, we cant do much'

[2021-02-13T13:59:04] SAY: Matt Malvor (163,128,2): (Security) 'Who saw then, AI?'

[2021-02-13T13:59:05] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (101,172,2): (Security) 'Security what the hell is going on?'

[2021-02-13T13:59:14] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): yes me ai saw them in brige

[2021-02-13T13:59:19] SAY: Matt Malvor (129,122,2): (Security) 'The AI is not mindshielded'

[2021-02-13T13:59:33] SAY: Matt Malvor (129,118,2): (Security) 'Your testimony legally doesnt count'

<AI states their laws, NT Default>

[2021-02-13T13:59:51] SAY: Matt Malvor (102,112,2): (Security) 'Laws dont matter here, AI'

[2021-02-13T14:00:02] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): look think of it like this

[2021-02-13T14:00:11] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): how did he get ian

[2021-02-13T14:00:19] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): who was in brodge

[2021-02-13T14:00:20] SAY: Matt Malvor (101,112,2): (Security) 'Dunno, maybe Ian was walking about'

[2021-02-13T14:00:21] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (99,174,2): (Security) 'Still how do you charge him for killing the dog of the captain without even asking him if the guy tresspassed?'

[2021-02-13T14:00:32] SAY: Matt Malvor (98,134,2): (Security) 'we SAW them kill Ian'

[2021-02-13T14:00:36] SAY: Matt Malvor (98,134,2): (Security) 'we DIDNT see them trespass'

[2021-02-13T14:00:39] SAY: Matt Malvor (98,134,2): (Security) 'Therefore'

[2021-02-13T14:00:44] SAY: Matt Malvor (98,134,2): (Security) 'Charged as listed'

[2021-02-13T14:00:47] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (99,174,2): (Security) 'That is the reason that you asked if the captain'

[2021-02-13T14:00:52] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): ian was in bride 4 people saw him

[2021-02-13T14:00:59] SAY: Lark Skystumbler (119,174,2): (Security) 'they couldn't have gotten Ian without trespassing.'

[2021-02-13T14:01:07] SAY: Matt Malvor (69,141,2): (Security) 'Unless Ian was walking about, eh?'

[2021-02-13T14:01:11] SAY: Booppop (110,137,2): (Security) 'wait Ian is HoPs pet'

[2021-02-13T14:01:13] SAY: Ian (109,135,2): (Security) 'He broke'

[2021-02-13T14:01:15] SAY: Booppop (110,137,2): (Security) 'I have Renault'

[2021-02-13T14:01:15] SAY: Ian (109,135,2): (Security) 'Into the bridge'

[2021-02-13T14:01:19] SAY: Ian (110,135,2): (Security) 'AND WASHED IAN'

[2021-02-13T14:11:39] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (125,173,2):  'I have sent a fax with a complaint about the case of the Mime'

[2021-02-13T14:11:49] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (125,173,2):  'The officer that arrested him did bad ruling of the case'

[2021-02-13T14:11:50] SAY: Iris (125,175,2):  'Uh-huh. Alright.'

[2021-02-13T14:11:55] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'and if I may add'

[2021-02-13T14:12:00] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'even the arrest itself'

[2021-02-13T14:12:06] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'was done improperly'

[2021-02-13T14:12:08] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'Oh I mean'

[2021-02-13T14:12:10] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'sorry'

[2021-02-13T14:12:17] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'the fax is about the murder of Ian the dog'

[2021-02-13T14:12:21] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'that was bad ruling'

[2021-02-13T14:12:25] SAY: Iris (125,175,2):  'Why was that?'

[2021-02-13T14:12:35] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'Because there was tresspass involved'

[2021-02-13T14:12:44] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'and he was just ruled with batering and resisting'

[2021-02-13T14:13:00] SAY: Iris (125,175,2):  'Yeah, major trespass probably would've been appropriate if that's the case. Did they break into the HOP office?'

[2021-02-13T14:13:05] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'Yes'

[2021-02-13T14:13:10] SAY: Iris (125,175,2):  'Yeaaah, that'd do it.'

[2021-02-13T14:13:48] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'If Im not mistaken'

[2021-02-13T14:13:55] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'Killing Ian wouldn't count as murder?'

[2021-02-13T14:14:02] SAY: Iris (125,175,2):  'No. Damage to station assets.'

[2021-02-13T14:14:05] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'THAT!'

[2021-02-13T14:14:07] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'Yes'

[2021-02-13T14:14:15] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'was also missed on the ruling'

2021-02-13T14:14:25] SAY: Iris (125,175,2):  'The charges were resisting, battery, and damage- at least they should have been.'

[2021-02-13T14:14:36] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'Yeah that was added'

<At the same time, with the HoS and the officer>

[2021-02-13T14:11:59] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2): (Security) 'Matt Malvor to this units office, please.'

[2021-02-13T14:12:04] SAY: Matt Malvor (123,165,2): (Security) 'oh boy'

[2021-02-13T14:12:16] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'aye, HoS?'

[2021-02-13T14:12:25] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2):  'This unit got a complaint about you.'

[2021-02-13T14:12:28] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'from?'

[2021-02-13T14:12:37] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2):  'It is not sure.'

[2021-02-13T14:12:40] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2):  'No one signed it.'

[2021-02-13T14:12:46] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2):  'Just a stamp from the IAA office.'

[2021-02-13T14:12:48] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'lemme take a peek?'

[2021-02-13T14:13:05] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'Jove'

[2021-02-13T14:13:19] LOOC: Matt Malvor (138,185,2): the guy wrote a massive ass reddit post calling me a shitty mentor

[2021-02-13T14:13:28] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2):  'This unit agrees with your ruling, however...'

[2021-02-13T14:13:33] LOOC: Matt Malvor (138,185,2): dudes got a hardon for running shit at me for no reason

[2021-02-13T14:13:42] LOOC: Ironhide (140,185,2): uff

[2021-02-13T14:13:52] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2):  'This unit is... curios.'

[2021-02-13T14:13:56] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'Ive got enough years of Space Law under my belt'

[2021-02-13T14:13:58] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'I know my rulings'

[2021-02-13T14:14:02] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2):  'Didn't you charge them with damage to station assets?'

[2021-02-13T14:14:05] EMOTE: Matt Malvor (138,185,2): Matt Malvor nods.

[2021-02-13T14:14:12] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'DTA, Battery, and Resisting'

[2021-02-13T14:14:20] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'Didnt do Trespass due to no LEGAL evidence of it'

[2021-02-13T14:14:22] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2):  'becaus they wrote that you charged them only with battery and resisting arrest.'

[2021-02-13T14:14:25] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'nada'

[2021-02-13T14:14:32] SAY: Matt Malvor (138,185,2):  'You can check the notes'

[2021-02-13T14:14:33] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2):  'You are good to go.'

[2021-02-13T14:14:35] EMOTE: Matt Malvor (138,185,2): Matt Malvor nods.

<Back to the you>

[2021-02-13T14:14:45] SAY: Matt Malvor (127,178,2):  'Sign your complaint, next time'

[2021-02-13T14:14:55] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'Wait'

[2021-02-13T14:14:57] SAY: Ironhide (140,185,2): (Security) 'This unit will go to cryo.'

[2021-02-13T14:15:02] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'How did Matt Malvor had acess'

[2021-02-13T14:15:07] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2):  'to my complaint fax?'

[2021-02-13T14:15:36] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (127,175,2): (Procedure) 'How Matt Malvor had acess to my complaint fax?'

[2021-02-13T14:16:44] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (113,161,2): (Security) 'Matt Malvor how did you have acess to my fax?'

[2021-02-13T14:16:48] SAY: Matt Malvor (113,140,2): (Security) 'What?'

[2021-02-13T14:16:55] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (112,151,2): (Security) 'They were sent to command roles only.'

[2021-02-13T14:17:10] SAY: Matt Malvor (113,140,2): (Security) 'HoS showed me the report'

[2021-02-13T14:17:12] SAY: Matt Malvor (113,140,2): (Security) 'Thats how'

[2021-02-13T14:17:21] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (138,129,2): (Security) 'That is not appropriate'

[2021-02-13T14:17:36] SAY: Matt Malvor (113,140,2): (Security) 'Stinkles, that's the HoS's perogative'

<Matt became acting HoS just as the Warden arrived. Warden didn't want it.>

[2021-02-13T14:24:51] SAY: Blake Fidel (127,175,2): (Security) 'yea?'

[2021-02-13T14:24:55] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (120,140,2): (Procedure) 'Where is the captain?'

[2021-02-13T14:24:56] SAY: Blake Fidel (128,175,2): (Security) 'just arrived'

[2021-02-13T14:25:01] SAY: Booppop (124,129,2): (Security) 'anything against being HoS?'

[2021-02-13T14:25:07] SAY: Booppop (124,129,2): (Procedure) 'in my ofice'

[2021-02-13T14:25:13] SAY: Blake Fidel (129,171,2): (Security) 'i rather not'

[2021-02-13T14:25:21] SAY: Matt Malvor (114,164,2): (Security) 'Ill go for it, if Warden doesnt'

[2021-02-13T14:25:27] SAY: Booppop (124,129,2): (Security) 'Sure Matt'

[2021-02-13T14:25:33] SAY: Booppop (124,129,2): (Security) 'tell me when you get to HoP'

[2021-02-13T14:26:09] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (98,135,2): (Security) 'Look if this is gonna be a protect friends kinda of game let me know because Im out'

[2021-02-13T14:26:27] SAY: Matt Malvor (100,120,2): (Security) 'Jove, im not sure what youre on about'

[2021-02-13T14:26:32] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (130,125,2): (Security) 'Yes you are'

[2021-02-13T14:26:40] SAY: Iris (125,175,2): (Security) 'Protect... friends? WhaT?'

[2021-02-13T14:26:49] SAY: Matt Malvor (100,120,2): (Security) 'Ive literally passed the Magistrate Competancy Exams'

[2021-02-13T14:26:52] SAY: Matt Malvor (100,120,2): (Security) 'I know Space Law'

[2021-02-13T14:26:57] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (130,125,2): (Security) 'You just slipped a major tresspass ruling not too long ago. How do you even see yourself fit to aply to HOS?'

[2021-02-13T14:27:04] SAY: Matt Malvor (98,123,2): (Security) 'there was NO evidence'

[2021-02-13T14:27:10] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): there was

[2021-02-13T14:27:14] SAY: Matt Malvor (97,135,2): (Security) 'If you have an issue with my ruling'

[2021-02-13T14:27:14] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): plenty

[2021-02-13T14:27:17] SAY: Matt Malvor (97,135,2): (Security) 'ask the Magi'

[2021-02-13T14:27:18] SAY: Iris (125,175,2): (Security) 'What are you all arguing about?'

[2021-02-13T14:27:21] SAY: Matt Malvor (97,135,2): (Security) 'Who give the sentence'

[2021-02-13T14:27:33] SAY: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost) (115,141,2): (Security) 'The AI saw it and there were at least 4 witnesses. You didn't even bother to ask the captain and HOS if there was a tresspass.'

[2021-02-13T14:27:35] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): when he said they the perosn who killed ian was not tresspassing

[2021-02-13T14:27:40] SAY: Matt Malvor (101,140,2): (Security) 'Iris, if there is no mindshielded eyewitness testimony, then it cant be used legally, aye?'

[2021-02-13T14:28:14] SAY: Iris (125,175,2): (Security) 'I'll usually take the AI's testimony if it hasn't shown to be subverted in any way.'

[2021-02-13T14:28:22] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): i am not

[2021-02-13T14:28:30] SAY: Iris (125,175,2): (Security) 'But uh- to each their own. There's no definitive answer to that question provided by space law or SOP.'

[2021-02-13T14:28:33] SAY: Matt Malvor (137,185,2): (Security) 'Fair, but i was just speaking LEGALLY thats the case'

[2021-02-13T14:28:35] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): i saw him break in

[2021-02-13T14:28:50] SAY: Matt Malvor (140,187,2): (Security) 'Sure, the AI CAN be used'

[2021-02-13T14:29:02] SAY: Matt Malvor (140,187,2): (Security) 'But its a subjective bit of Space Law'

[2021-02-13T14:29:10] SAY: Charlie Carlson (146,130,2): (Security) 'Can, but we don't have proof of it now, do we?'

[2021-02-13T14:29:22] SAY: Matt Malvor (140,187,2): (Security) 'Jove, I suggest if you need 100% confirmation on how the ruling works, you can contact Central'

[2021-02-13T14:29:23] SAY: Iris (125,175,2): (Security) 'I personally wasn't told they broke into the HOP office, I was just told they killed Ian, otherwise I would've had them charged for major trepass as well.'

[2021-02-13T14:29:43] SAY: C.O.N.O.R (143,23,2): it was bridge they broke into

[2021-02-13T14:29:43] SAY: Matt Malvor (140,187,2): (Security) 'And I was not aware of any possible Trespass when I brought them in'

2021-02-13T14:29:43] SAY: Charlie Carlson (163,129,2): (Security) 'No reilable source of information to disprove an unbiasable source of information, no means to dismiss it.'

[2021-02-13T14:29:49] SAY: Iris (125,175,2): (Security) 'The bridge, then. Apologies.'

The only person who reported them breaking into the bridge, was the AI. Security was not made aware of it until after they had already been charged for damage to station assets, resisting arrest and battery. You kicked up a fuss over information they weren't given and only provided to by the AI. You then lied to both the Magistrate and the HoS, by saying they never charged them for the damage to station assets, and when he became acting HoS as the arriving Warden didn't want it.. you kicked up a fuss again.

2) Your admin help and responses to the admin.

Spoiler

[2021-02-13T14:29:56] ADMIN: Adminhelp: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost): Look mate this has to stop. This round is nothing more to a friend help kinda of a game. A security pod pilot just got promoted to HOS after slipping a major tresspass case with AI stating it with 4 people that witnessed it. This is absurd - heard by 2 non-AFK admins.

[2021-02-13T14:30:42] ADMIN: PM: MrSynnester->1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost): ..what?

[2021-02-13T14:32:01] ADMIN: Adminhelp: Matt Malvor: can someone kindly tell Jove to lay off? the guy already made a massive Reddit thread on how i "abuse" my position as mentor and disliked how i played Magi one round. the guys gonna go gunning for everything i do in game. Ive been around long enough not to meta, he needs to hop off his "stop giving friends a pass" shit - heard by 2 non-AFK admins.

[2021-02-13T14:32:24] ADMIN: PM: MrSynneste->Matt Malvor: Aye, talking to 'em currently.

[2021-02-13T14:32:25] ADMIN: PM: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost)->MrSynnester: Mate, someone killed the dog Ian by major tresspassing into the brig. Matt, the dude that was the officer pilot that ruled it never ruled it as major tresspass despite AI stating it was. Still persists in the error. The HOS cryoed, so he applied to be one. And the captain conceeded it to him despite he was doing just shit stuff for the entire shift! What the hell is this?

[2021-02-13T14:32:55] ADMIN: PM: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost)->MrSynnester: How someone that slips a major tresspass gets promoted as HOS?

[2021-02-13T14:33:39] ADMIN: PM: MrSynnester->1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost): Someone getting promoted because they asked? I don't know what the hell you're going on about bud. You're overreacting and form the sounds of it are metagrudging hard. So lay off and leave 'em alone or get in trouble.

[2021-02-13T14:33:55] ADMIN: PM: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost)->MrSynnester: What?

[2021-02-13T14:34:57] ADMIN: PM: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost)->MrSynnester: Ask the IA. That was basically what happened.

[2021-02-13T14:35:00] ADMIN: PM: MrSynnester->1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost): I was informed that you lay into him alot, and apparently made a reddit thread. All i'm saying is you leave them alone, you're overreacting to nothing and need to relax.

[2021-02-13T14:36:06] ADMIN: PM: MrSynnester->Matttheficus/(Matt Malvor): Could i get specifics? Even if you have to drop 'em to my DM's.

[2021-02-13T14:36:39] ADMIN: PM: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost)->MrSynnester: Dude, Im the IAA of the round. I was doing my job. Outside things do not have anything to do ICC. Is this server  supposed to follow rules or you get over them to look after friends?

[2021-02-13T14:38:44] ADMIN: PM: MrSynnester->1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost):Again, you're overreacting to a bad call IC and someone getting promoted. I have no idea what the fuck you're going on about assuming it's metafriending or something. You need to chill out.

[2021-02-13T14:39:12] ADMIN: PM: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost)->MrSynnester: Im not? I have seen people getting demoted for much less?

[2021-02-13T14:40:41] ADMIN: PM: 1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost)->MrSynnester: This is bullshit dude. Im sorry, but Im here to have fun. Following the game rules are suppose to guarantee that. Nowhere a person that fucks up like that gets promoted to HOS! Im sorry but the round for me is over. And you failed as an admin. My reddit post was asking for opinions and it shouldn't impact in game. This is bad ruling and you bet Im letting others know.

[2021-02-13T14:41:37] ADMIN: PM: MrSynnester->1jovemtr00/(Jove Frost): Righto...seeya.

[2021-02-13T14:43:15] ADMIN: MrSynnester has banned 1jovemtr00.
[2021-02-13T14:43:15] Reason: Metagrudging alongside getting really, really uppity when someone didn't agree with him. Has been harassing a player ever since a single issue, making reddit posts and the like. Feel free to make one about me, please take a break and appeal this down the line when you're more level headed.
[2021-02-13T14:43:15] This ban does not expire automatically and must be appealed.

You went on a rant over an IC issue.. then you immediately started accusing the admin of dealing with it for metafriending, while you were metagrudging someone. Then said you were going to continue and tell others about it. You were told to calm down and drop the situation, an IC situation.. and ignored the admin.

[Admin Complaint: Shift 25751]

While I am not handling this complaint, I am merely posting logs involving the situation.

 

1 hour ago, Lurapa said:

Where the Captain announced for X, Y, Z to arrive at the Bridge for a non-opt out event. It was 'early retirement'.

Central Command offered the program to command, and it was for volunteers. It was command themselves, who chose the people, not central command. Command never offered people the chance to declined, when CC said they could.. it was the Captain who chose the decision for you.

Spoiler

[2021-02-09T04:44:00] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (88,99,1): (Command) 'Wonderful! I'm VERY pleased to announce, Nanotrasen is now offering an Early Retirement Program! Please pick a few crewmembers to be sent in for the program!'

[2021-02-09T04:44:08] SAY: Louis Murray (140,128,2): (Command) 'Can I retire myself?'

[2021-02-09T04:44:09] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (114,136,2): (Command) 'Wow!'

[2021-02-09T04:44:17] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (79,95,1): (Command) 'Well... if I may suggest...'

[2021-02-09T04:44:18] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (114,150,2): (Command) 'I'll submit myself, Phillip'

[2021-02-09T04:44:22] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (114,136,2): (Command) 'I was about to volunteer all of command including myself!'

[2021-02-09T04:44:28] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (79,95,1): (Command) 'Picking those who might not be performing so well.'

[2021-02-09T04:44:34] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (109,187,2): (Command) 'Ah'

[2021-02-09T04:44:39] SAY: Louis Murray (103,120,2): (Command) 'Whaaa?'

[2021-02-09T04:44:41] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (114,136,2): (Command) 'Like I said, ALL OF COMMAND AND MYSELF!'

[2021-02-09T04:44:45] SAY: Louis Murray (103,120,2): (Command) 'So it's one of those retirement plans'

[2021-02-09T04:45:17] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (114,135,2): (Command) 'I kid I kid. uhhh Things have been going pretty well here NTO Phillip'

[2021-02-09T04:45:35] SAY: Louis Murray (110,136,2): (Command) 'It's NNO, not NTO'

[2021-02-09T04:45:43] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (115,134,2): (Command) 'I have a few officers who are struggling with brigging procedure, but they're learning.'

[2021-02-09T04:45:58] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (115,135,2): (Command) 'Do we have to select people for retirement?'

[2021-02-09T04:46:02] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (86,99,1): (Command) 'Right, feel free to submit a list of those chosen for the Early Retirement Program and we'll stop by later for them!'

[2021-02-09T04:46:20] SAY: Louis Murray (110,136,2): (Command) 'Put the chemist's name on that list.'

[2021-02-09T04:46:25] SAY: Louis Murray (110,136,2): (Command) 'They're just bridge hoboing'

[2021-02-09T04:46:40] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (123,124,2): (Command) 'And the mime. Cause fuck em thats why. And the clown cause fuck em'

[2021-02-09T04:46:54] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (124,124,2): (Command) 'Actually. Clown is in teleport room.SO thats a good reason'

[2021-02-09T04:48:18] SAY: Louis Murray (106,131,2): (Command) 'Three names on the list now'

[2021-02-09T04:52:58] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (121,126,2): (Command) 'ALso hop please add the Clown name to the list'

[2021-02-09T04:53:05] SAY:Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'They already are'

[2021-02-09T04:53:10] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (121,126,2): (Command) 'Goood'

[2021-02-09T04:53:13] SAY: Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'Here's a list of the names.'

[2021-02-09T04:53:42] SAY:Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'Phoebe Dean, Pity the Fanclown Clown of Prolithium belts, Sr. Hands, Fatwe Pylon, Gordo Weisgarber, Lincoln Flores, Frank Gallagher'

[2021-02-09T04:53:43] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (128,175,2): (Command) 'I recommend putting the bartender on the list'

[2021-02-09T04:53:47] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (128,175,2): (Command) 'He's a shitter.'

[2021-02-09T04:53:51] SAY: Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'They are'

[2021-02-09T04:53:51] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (88,88,1): (Command) 'I have eight seats available on the shuttle.'

[2021-02-09T04:54:00] SAY: Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'That's one more then'

[2021-02-09T04:54:00] SAY: Lincoln Flores (124,129,2): (Command) 'Bartender is already down.'

[2021-02-09T04:54:13] SAY: Louis Murray (108,134,2): (Command) 'We can fit one more on the list'

[2021-02-09T04:54:27] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (121,126,2): (Command) 'Hold please'

[2021-02-09T04:59:49] SAY: Louis Murray (112,136,2): (Command) 'We got a call captain'

[2021-02-09T05:01:03] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (77,67,1): (Command) 'Please gather those who are set for an Early Retirement up! We'll be over shortly.'

[2021-02-09T05:01:25] SAY: Louis Murray (112,136,2): (Command) 'Shall we gather them at arrivals?'

[2021-02-09T05:01:57] SAY: Sain Eldred (127,178,2): (Command) 'I feel like I should be concerned about 'early retirement' packages.'

[2021-02-09T05:02:46] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (79,94,1): (Command) 'I assure you Magistrate, the Early Retirement Package is perfectly legitimate.'

[2021-02-09T05:02:47] SAY:  Lincoln Flores (50,145,2): (Command) 'Captain, you should make an announcment saying who needs to go to arrivals for early retirement.'

[2021-02-09T05:03:15] GAME: Damian Weisgarber has made Priority Announcement: Priority Announcement - ASAP I need Phoebe Dean, Pity The Fanclown Clown of Prolithium Belts, Sr. Hands, Fatwe Pylon, Gordo Weisgarber, and Frank Gallagher to report to the front of the bridge - Damian Weisgarber (Captain)

[2021-02-09T05:04:14] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (36,133,2): (Command) 'Er- heads of staff do not qualify for Early Retirement.'

[2021-02-09T05:04:29] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (113,137,2): (Command) 'well that is good to know!'

[2021-02-09T05:06:56] SAY: Louis Murray (80,129,2): (Command) 'Do we give them a chance to decline?'

[2021-02-09T05:06:58] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (118,158,2): (Command) 'And Ill throw a time limit on it, lets say 3 minutes? Or Five?'

[2021-02-09T05:07:00] SAY: Louis Murray (80,129,2): (Command) 'or retire them by force?'

[2021-02-09T05:07:07] SAY: Damian Weisgarber (118,158,2): (Command) 'Oh no no we dont give choices here on the Cyberiad'

[2021-02-09T05:07:14] SAY: Louis Murray (80,129,2): (Command) 'Roger that.'

[2021-02-09T05:07:24] SAY: Louis Murray (80,129,2): (Command) 'Be ready HoS, might need to catch some retirees'

[2021-02-09T05:07:29] SAY: Eren Tatterfield (119,179,2): (Command) 'Noted.'

[2021-02-09T05:07:36] SAY: Lincoln Flores (113,133,2): (Command) 'Am I still elligable for early retirement?'

[2021-02-09T05:07:41] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (62,135,2): (Command) 'Actually- you know what? Sure. Let them have the option to decline.'

[2021-02-09T05:09:14] GAME: Damian Weisgarber has made Priority Announcement: Priority Announcement - I need Phoebe Dean, Pity The Fanclown Clown of Prolithium Belts, Sr. Hands, Gordo Weisgarber, and Frank Gallagher to report to the front of the bridge - Damian Weisgarber (Captain)

[2021-02-09T05:13:06] GAME: Damian Weisgarber has made Priority Announcement: Priority Announcement - Still Waiting on Frank, Gordo and the Mime! - Damian Weisgarber (Captain)

 

1 hour ago, Lurapa said:

After our death, for some reason a Death Squad was announced. To force what just happened to a small group, onto the station. Nuking the shift that could have continued as-is.

 

1 hour ago, Zephroze said:

Polling ghosts

The poll was offered to the entire server, living, dead and everything in-between could vote. There is no way of offering votes to only the living, or the dead. It is server wide.

Spoiler

[2021-02-09T05:37:32] ADMIN: Tymara Pendragon has created a communications report: The Early Retirement testing phase was a resounding success! At this point we're considering expanding it to all Cyberiad Employees. However we're aware your station is currently in the middle of a crisis. Due to this crossroads, we're offering a vote. You can either, initiate your Early Retirement Program immediately, or we can try and salvage whatever mess you've made on station.

[2021-02-09T05:38:29] ADMIN: Custom (Early Retirement or Continue) vote started by Tymara Pendragon.
[2021-02-09T05:38:29] Early Retirement or Continue

[2021-02-09T05:38:49] GAME: Damian Weisgarber has made a Centcomm announcement: we choose early retirement. There is not vote, I Captain Weisgarber will decide for everyone. God speed.

[2021-02-09T05:39:37] VOTE: Early Retirement or Continue
[2021-02-09T05:39:37]     Early Retirement: 39 votes
[2021-02-09T05:39:37]     Continue and Attempt To Resolve: 19 votes

[2021-02-09T05:48:47] ADMIN: Phillip Orrbe has created a communications report: Please wait for our Retirement Consultants to assist you in your early retirement. Have a secure day. -A.L.I.C.E.

 

1 hour ago, Zephroze said:

Edit: Also, giving traitor to a mindshielded individual is extremely confusing for security. -HoS player

Spoiler

[2021-02-09T04:10:43] ADMINSAY: Araris Valerian (106,115,2): Anyone opposed to Syndifax?

[2021-02-09T04:10:47] ADMINSAY: Red Prince (98,120,2): nope

[2021-02-09T04:17:29] ADMIN: LightFire53/(Araris Valerian) sent a fax message to Internal Affairs Office:

Communist Canada

Top Secret Communication

To Buttersworth, Is have a job opportunity for you, da? If you accept, burn this communication. I will be watching.

R.A.S.P.O.U.T.I.N.E.,Communist Canada Admiral

Reading this communication will put you at risk for extermination should you not be the intended recipient of it.Extermination will be guaranteed if you are an agent of the Glorious Empire and choose to ignore any instructions in this communication.

[2021-02-09T04:17:38] ADMIN: Araris Valerian replied to Rube Buttersworth's Syndicate message with the message You have an important fax at your machine, da..

[2021-02-09T04:17:58] SAY: Zari Alur (99,175,2):  'What the hell...'

[2021-02-09T04:18:16] ADMIN: Araris Valerian replied to Zari Alur's Syndicate message with the message Will also offer you position too, da?.

[2021-02-09T04:18:43] SAY: Zari Alur (99,175,2):  'Lover of the Russian Queen indeed.'

He was offered a choice, he could of said yes or no, he said yes.