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Rule 0 Precedent to which I am referring: Specifically about: This was a recent clarification, but the fact that it is an exception at all is odd. Unwrenching the pipes is uncounterable. Theres is nothing a vent crawling antag can do about it. Half of the time the UI doesn't update when it is unwrenched until you pop out of a vent and re-enter, thus having it so antags mistakenly believe the pipe is still fastened and suddenly get thrown out. Even if it does render, it is easily missible and instantly puts said antag in a bad spot that can easily end in them dead (and even if, say, a terror spider manages to kill an engi that unwrenched in front of the spider, what then? Then the engi can't repair the pipe and every spider is fucked over for it). Unwrenching a pipe at *all* to fuck over an antag is a dick move, violating the nature of rule 0. This should not be an exception to the rule. There is no reason for it. There exists other ways to counter ventcrawling antags based on which antag it is. It abuses the piping system in the main flaw it has: the inability to climb into a open pipe without a vent. Might as well be an exploit that, to my understanding, is unfixable. This exception does not belong on paradise. I urge a removal of said exception, or at least a discussion on why it is being kept despite its contrarian nature to our rules.

One and the same as far as I can tell. If you aren't trying to accuse us of such, you're sure wording it in a very poor manner. This is something I can agree on. I wouldn't have minded giving a bit more of a heads up to the community at the very least, if not a bit more discussion beforehand. However. In the words of the holy arbiter, Nothing about this game is simple. Managing it from an admin perspective is a nightmare at the best of times, and we have to accommodate a near limitless set of possibilities in a near limitless world. I was up at the top of the hill shouting for the initial pipe removal rule to be placed because the issues it caused with the players that solely focus on 'winning' and meta. But we cannot simply wave a magic wand and make a rule that perfectly covers every single situation. This is why we've tried to make an extended rules page, with varying degrees of success--but again, infinite situations with infinite possibilities. The situation that happened resulting in this change was perfectly fine to utilize, with proper context and motivation and in an isolated area. The antag was a single swarmer that had isolated itself from the rest of its allies and was surrounded by enemies--an already doomed individual. There's not always going to be a perfect 'get out of jail free' card to every situation, especially if you fail to think it through before blindly charging in. Nor should there be, for that matter.

Yes, we very often just change server rules on a whim to justify admin wrong doing. Shit, we've been busted boys, get out the admin bom- Are you fucking kidding me. No. This action could have been carried out by a player with the same result. The situation it was used in showed us that the rule needed fleshing out, and we moved to adjust it. It was discussed by staff and head admins alike and agreed upon for the most part (Kyet being the exception, obviously). Perhaps there could have been more community input on the matter before it was placed in, but saying it was made to give an admin a 'get out of jail free' card is so unbelievably uncalled for--especially when you take in mind that this was drakeven, an admin that actually goes out of their way more often than most to encourage roleplay and interesting situations. Please watch what you're accusing staff of. Or anyone, really.

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